I know. I was being sarcastic. Sorry.
Wonder Woman loves you too.
I don't see the need for Azz's core changes in the origins of the character-- I honestly don't think they were needed. He could have told this story of Zeus and Zola's baby without all the fadiddling of DIana's origin.... and he could have told it in like 6 issues instead of 24
Apart from that, I think that you're right about appealing to both sexes (although the audeience is largely male)-- and I think the old tv show did well with just showing that fact that there is theis island of Amazons, and here is their champion.... You don't have to dive deep into the origins or "feminist" msg to make the story work.
Justifying something wrong with the flaw of the other side. So typical.
Classic Amazons thoughts affected you all and you don't even noticed.
Last edited by Don-Jack; 02-19-2013 at 05:20 AM.
Wonder Woman loves you too.
Take a step back, folks, and keep to the topic and not the other posters.
Thank you :)
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That fault lies with the editors of Wonder Woman, and their lack of a consistently progressive and long-range editorial vision.
Of course, you don't find Wonder Woman's supervillains on any top-ten list, IABF, ..and that's entirely my point! They're not on those lists, because the editors and writers of Wonder Woman haven't made a business of using them. Basically, Circe, Cheetah and Doctor Psycho have been the most recurring supervillains in the last twenty-plus years of the WW comic, and whenever any discussion of Wondy's foes is made, these are the villains, who are mentioned, ..and that is misleading.
What's a little unwelcome about your comment is that you seem so assured Wonder Woman's rogues are no good, you don't even bother to offer any comparitive examples to persuade us. Again, I don't think you know anything about half the characters I named, but feel perfectly justified trashing them all, in one swoop. That's the kind of dismissive attitude the Wonder Woman comic and its fans run into all the time, and the sorry editorial state this comic is in probably invites it...I get that much, but, it doesn't make you right.
Wonder Woman's rogues are as good as anybody's and BETTER than most.
Back to topic...
A Wonder Woman movie, pitting her against S.C.Y.T.H.E., headed by Doctor Cyber, with (Ares's emissary) the original Silver Swan and Bushmaster as hired muscle, would be enormously successful, ..with the right story and writer, of course. However, the fact these villains aren't as easily associated with Wonder Woman, as Lex Luthor and the Joker are with their foes, is working against her.
Much of the success of these big, superhero fantasy movies weighs on the quality of the villain.
Last edited by MelDyer; 02-22-2013 at 07:48 AM.
From the Golden Age of comics, the film short they don't want you to see... WONDER BOY LIVES!
I believe the lack of a Wonder Woman live action flick has more to do with Hollywood politics than anything else. Joss Whedon had a script approved and was set to be the director until the plug was pulled at the last minute cuz the studio wanted to "go in a different direction". Producer Joel Silver was holding the movie rights for a long time, but admitted that he lost interest in doing the film yet didn't surrender the right so no one else could make a film. I don't think he's involved anymore so now a WW movie is viable again.
It's like a lot of things in Hollywood...stuff gets optioned, but doesn't always get made. A Black Panther film was optioned like 12 years ago and Wesley Shipes and David Goyer were attached but it didn't made. There was supposed to be a Luke Cage movie and John Singleton was going to do it, but he sent the script back for re-writes and...nothing. There was also a rumored Iron Fist movie about 10 years ago starring Ray Park but it didn't happened.
I don't think it's cuz these concepts are so hard to do or the producers don't know how to translate them to the general public, I think it's more like they start but then they simply stop working on them.
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I still believe someone someday will crack this problem with the right team and right execution but I think one major thing has to happen first. A female led action film actually has to be a bona fide even with hollywood accounting smash hit. I don't know if we've had one yet. I can point to many examples where I thought the films were a great success but didn't do box office numbers that made Hollywood stand up and take notice.
Box office take is not a measure of success but it's the metric used to determine which projects get funded next. In recent years, for example I thought "Salt" was one of the few times that Hollywood got a female led action movie right. It's sequel is in development hell at the moment and from an accounting perspective it made some money but not enough. "Whiteout" changed the genders of one of the supporting characters from it's graphic novel inspiration because apparently you can't have two females leading a suspense thriller. Say what you will about that film but I thought it worked spectacularly regardless. But again, no money.
Those that really did make money were made in another era (and yes, the 70s and the 80s are another era now--I'm old). Before someone cites Ellen Ripley from the Alien saga I'll just point out that Alien is a horror film through and through and Aliens, while having action elements in it, is ultimately about about a mother protecting her child from a monster. It's an easier sell to have a female led horror film than nearly anything else.
Diana is a worthy character. She'll get her chance to shine on the big screen someday. I think i will be as surprised as anyone when it happens.