Would You Buy a Scott Snyder Wonder Woman Book?

[Cowgirl]

If it has at least the same quality of the current Azz+Chiang run, i'd definitely buy it (as long as it don't replace azz).

[Mr. Holmes]

Well, I did read Alan Moore's run, but it was a long time ago (renting books is awesome). I mostly remember that Swamp Thing was revealed not to be Alec Holland in the first episode, that there was a Justice League cameo, that his girlfriend was nothing like the biker girl appearing in Snyder's book, and that he teamed up with Etrigan.
And that it was very good of course.

As for Black Mirror, the funny thing is, everything I don't like about his writing is there, but it's more subdued. He shows more than usual, his ending is weaker but okay, he's trying to present his "Gotham is an evil entity" as new and innovative when it's not (if anything, I remember some weird arc in Detective some years ago, with an evil cult using Gotham's inherent evil nature to do something, that uses the exact same idea), but he doesn't try as hard. So, it ends up being much more readable, but at the same time makes me pessimistic about his ability to change in a way that pleases me. because Black Mirror looked like a work in progress (in a way), while Court of Owls seemed like "yep, this is me finding my feet as a writer". You know, a bit like how Michael Bay 's The Rock is a somewhat watchable movie, but Transformers isn't.

Yeah absolutely.

The thing is, I hadn't the impression back then when Black Mirror was coming out that Snyder thought he was doing something so ground breaking. It was more "Well you know how Batman's villains can represent aspects of him? Well let's do that for Dick." And it was executed fine enough, and it overall worked as a really stylish crime thriller. I'm not a big fan of the story (the reveal pisses all over Year One, and it's really pessimistic) but I mean that's more taste.

It's more in Court of Owls when he takes the "Gotham is eeevil" idea overboard as if it's so groundbreaking.

[HeroxMatt2.0]

Yeah absolutely.

The thing is, I hadn't the impression back then when Black Mirror was coming out that Snyder thought he was doing something so ground breaking. It was more "Well you know how Batman's villains can represent aspects of him? Well let's do that for Dick." And it was executed fine enough, and it overall worked as a really stylish crime thriller. I'm not a big fan of the story (the reveal pisses all over Year One, and it's really pessimistic) but I mean that's more taste.

It's more in Court of Owls when he takes the "Gotham is eeevil" idea overboard as if it's so groundbreaking.

Do you think this maybe has something to do with how almost everything has been done with Batman? I don't mean this sarcastically, but your point about how Snyder wrote Dick as Batman interested me. Since Dick as Batman doesn't have as many stories told, whereas Bruce Batman does, it's harder to tell something "groundbreaking". The problem is, though, is that Snyder often says in his interviews that they are groundbreaking, which can be very grating.

Maybe this could translate over to Diana Wonder Woman - there are groundbreaking stories still left to tell, as we've seen from the Rogues Gallery thread, they can be explored a lot more deeply than Batman's rogues can, who feel as if they're exhausted, story-telling wise.

[Auguste Dupin]

Yeah absolutely.

The thing is, I hadn't the impression back then when Black Mirror was coming out that Snyder thought he was doing something so ground breaking. It was more "Well you know how Batman's villains can represent aspects of him? Well let's do that for Dick." And it was executed fine enough, and it overall worked as a really stylish crime thriller. I'm not a big fan of the story (the reveal pisses all over Year One, and it's really pessimistic) but I mean that's more taste.

It's more in Court of Owls when he takes the "Gotham is eeevil" idea overboard as if it's so groundbreaking.

Well, I read Black Mirror after Court of Owls, when the French translation came out. So maybe I had a different perspective. I felt the story worked better, because if didn't feel like he was amping something big right from the beggining. It was after a few issues that you started to realize there was more to what we saw as face value. And that may be part of the problem with Court (fairness forces me to admit I didn't even try Death of the Family. Fool me once and all that. The extracts I saw make me think I was right to do so). We are being hyped, and I mean in universe. The Court is so awesome. They have been around since Gotham's creation. They have their own song. They killed that Wayne guy a century ago. They are so terrible they didn'ty even consider Batman worthy of their attention. And in the end, what we get disapoint (and not just because of the hype, but because they are basically doing nothing). In Black Mirror, there was actual build up. In Court of Owls, these guys had just a very good agent.
As for the ending of Black Mirror, well... he clearly was trying to have a "film noir" feeling to it, which makes sense I guess, it's Batman. It didn't bother me too much.

[DarkKnghtJared]

Yeah absolutely.

The thing is, I hadn't the impression back then when Black Mirror was coming out that Snyder thought he was doing something so ground breaking. It was more "Well you know how Batman's villains can represent aspects of him? Well let's do that for Dick." And it was executed fine enough, and it overall worked as a really stylish crime thriller. I'm not a big fan of the story (the reveal pisses all over Year One, and it's really pessimistic) but I mean that's more taste.

It's more in Court of Owls when he takes the "Gotham is eeevil" idea overboard as if it's so groundbreaking.

The problem with that complaint, I think, is that really that theme of "Gotham is evil" isn't really spoken that much inside the story--at the very least, it isn't as prominent in Death of the Family. That's almost exclusively what Snyder says in interviews. So, the obvious answer to that problem is to stop reading his bloody interviews. I know that's what I'm going to do from this point on.

[HeroxMatt2.0]

The problem with that complaint, I think, is that really that theme of "Gotham is evil" isn't really spoken that much inside the story--at the very least, it isn't as prominent in Death of the Family. That's almost exclusively what Snyder says in interviews. So, the obvious answer to that problem is to stop reading his bloody interviews. I know that's what I'm going to do from this point on.

Yeah, I generally try and avoid most interviews with most creators.

[Mr. Holmes]

The problem with that complaint, I think, is that really that theme of "Gotham is evil" isn't really spoken that much inside the story--at the very least, it isn't as prominent in Death of the Family. That's almost exclusively what Snyder says in interviews. So, the obvious answer to that problem is to stop reading his bloody interviews. I know that's what I'm going to do from this point on.

That's kind of what I'm getting at though, that it wasn't beaten over your head is why it worked in Black Mirror. It's the way it carries over into Court of Owls when things become irritating.

[DarkKnghtJared]

That's kind of what I'm getting at though, that it wasn't beaten over your head is why it worked in Black Mirror. It's the way it carries over into Court of Owls when things become irritating.

Sure--and what I'm saying was that it wasn't beaten over our heads in Death of the Family was either--and while Joker had his whole theme going, the way Batman confronted him at the end kind-of made Joker's point dissipate when Batman pulled the same mind-game on Joker and he crumbled. In the end, Joker isn't the mad jester telling the bad news to the king--he's just a pathetic psychotic with delusions of grandeur.

[The Man From Room X]

Snyder: Without giving anything away, the villain in our series is brand-new. He's someone that I made up with Jim [Lee]. I'm really excited about him. For me, one of the fun things is balancing him against the rogues and the supporting cast.

This is also the first time I've been able to write Diana (Wonder Woman). And I get to write Clark with Bruce. You'll actually see that pretty early on, when they're members of the League

Jesus wept.

[RandomFalls]

Clark with Bruce, eh Scott? I like the way that man thinks.

[Rob_Olivera]

Clark with Bruce, eh Scott? I like the way that man thinks.

I'm having coffee at Starbucks. It's so unpleasant to have coffee coming out of my nose so early.