Superman author condemns homosexuality, sparks outrage

[Spike-X]

Slavery was the norm in biblical times as well. Along with throwing rocks at your kids if they talk back to you. I'd like to think society has evolved a little since then.

[kmeyers]

Slavery was the norm in biblical times as well. Along with throwing rocks at your kids if they talk back to you. I'd like to think society has evolved a little since then.

I agree with this, but it sucks. It will eventually happen,but meanwhile...

I just want to throw this out there, because I'm really sick of hearing about how wonderful the founding fathers were and how perfect the constitution is...among other things they believed in, women had no rights, and neither did slaves, and were only counted as 3/5th a person for census purposes.

GO founders!

[ChadH]

*Hugs ChadH*

Well, thank you.

[Iangould]

Just as a point of general information, Orson Scott Card is heavily involved with the Mormon church. He's a descendant of Brigham Young, a professor at a Mormon-controlled college and wrote the latest revision of the Hill Cumorah pageant, which is apparently a big deal.

So, I guess you have to view his anti-gay views as part of his broader faith. You know, kind of like if this were the 1950's and he was defending segregation.

[Shellhead]

I just want to throw this out there, because I'm really sick of hearing about how wonderful the founding fathers were and how perfect the constitution is...among other things they believed in, women had no rights, and neither did slaves, and were only counted as 3/5th a person for census purposes.

I've been feeling the same way in recent years. How could a slave owner like Thomas Jefferson keep a straight face when writing passionately about liberty and rights?

[Charles RB]

How could a slave owner like Thomas Jefferson keep a straight face when writing passionately about liberty and rights?

That was different. He benefitted from that.

[Vibranium]

I've been feeling the same way in recent years. How could a slave owner like Thomas Jefferson keep a straight face when writing passionately about liberty and rights?

because I think he realized that society might evolve, both him and Ben Franklin were pretty forward thinking guys

[dupont2005]

Why is this man homophobic? Is it because he disagrees with your liberal views.

Yes. Because he disagrees with my views that gays are every bit as human as us, and deserve to be treated as such. If he didn't think black people should be treated equal would he be racist?

[dupont2005]

Slavery was the norm in biblical times as well. Along with throwing rocks at your kids if they talk back to you. I'd like to think society has evolved a little since then.

He was actually wrong about gay marriage though. Same sex unions have existed for a very long time. Nero was having same sex marriages right about the time the gospels were first being drafted. But considering this is a secular nation, what does anything have to do with biblical times?

[RolandJP]

Slavery was the norm in biblical times as well. Along with throwing rocks at your kids if they talk back to you. I'd like to think society has evolved a little since then.

Deuteronomy 23:15-16 "Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee: He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him."

Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates."


Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Oppressors salad bar rules. They pick what they like and deny what they dont.

[Iangould]

Deuteronomy 23:15-16 "Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee: He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him."

Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates."


Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Oppressors salad bar rules. They pick what they like and deny what they dont.

Note the qualifier.

Note too that beating a slave to death isn't considered murder.

[RolandJP]

Note the qualifier.

Note too that beating a slave to death isn't considered murder.

Then why have the rule?

I think lawyer mindsets have twisted every truth into gray area.

[dupont2005]

Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

What if the slave doesn't die? Then it's okay?

[Iangould]

Then why have the rule?

I think lawyer mindsets have twisted every truth into gray area.

Compare it to the passage that says causing a woman to miscarry is a crime punishable by a fine unless the woman also dies in which case it's murder.

If accidentally killing a slave while beating them was considered murder, the passage would probably have read "...and you shall put him to death."

Killing a slave, as in the pre-war south, was considered a minor crime comparable to mistreating animals in the ancient world.

[the4thpip]

If accientallt killing a slave whiel beating them was considered murder, the passage would probably have read "...and you shall put him to death."

"accientallt" would be an awesome name for a goth metal band.