Petition to oust orson scott card

[big al]

All you have to do is read the dang thread.

Do you have any idea how annoying it is when every 5 pages somebody comes in who is too lazy to do his own homework?

do you know how annoying it is to have everyone on the face of the planet have to be so incredibly PC over every single comment anyone makes at any time in thier life?

his personal beliefs have nothing to do with his ability to write a good story.

As I understand it He's only writing 1 story as it is, do we really need a petition to "oust" him? DON'T BUY THE COMIC then DC won't have a reason to have him write anything else.

[thehod]

do you know how annoying it is to have everyone on the face of the planet have to be so incredibly PC over every single comment anyone makes at any time in thier life?

his personal beliefs have nothing to do with his ability to write a good story.

As I understand it He's only writing 1 story as it is, do we really need a petition to "oust" him? DON'T BUY THE COMIC then DC won't have a reason to have him write anything else.

Read the damn thread.

It's got NOTHING to do with his beliefs.

[Rafa-Rivas-2099]

Does it matter? The issue here is not whether the guy writes Superman well. Anyone who thinks the quality of the story here is the only thing that matters, I would suggest, needs to re-examine their priorities.

So, freedom of speech and no discrimination was just a scam?

I'm basically a moderate with a "not touching that with a 20 ft. pole" attitude regarding certain right proposals, as long as they have the universal ones I have. However, liberals have had a long hard fight to have freedom of speech. It's a shame that to some, that was just hypocritical code language for "Only my say should be heard and not yours". Equally shameful, is how, now that they are losing ground, conservatives do the same and each time more.

Sorry but no, we can't censor. Idiots like Beck or Limbaugh are needed just as much as any sane person needs not to listen to them (IMHO, of course), because the day we censor them liberty is gone. And if they do creative writing or any other creative work, I'd only judge them based on their talent at it.

IF TPTB censure Card for reasons that have nothing to do with sales, acclaim or their own beliefs, this is, just because of the pressure, I'd think of them as weak, small men with no leadership.

[thehod]

here's what the original link in this thread is to:

OUTRAGE: DC Comics has just hired anti-gay writer Orson Scott Card for their new digital Adventures of Superman.

He's written publicly that he believes marriage equality would lead to the end of civilization. He's also on the board of a notorious anti-equality organization.

We need to let DC Comics know they can't support Orson Scott Card or his work to keep LGBT people as second-class citizens. They know they're accountable to their fans, so if enough of us speak out now, they'll hear us loud and clear. Sign and share!


so of course it is about his beliefs unless he totally didn't believe what he is reported to have said and of course it is about his freedom of speech, since he chose to say these things and now he is being singled out for doing so.

You missed the part about him being on the board of NOM then.

That is the issue, not his beliefs.

[AJBopp]

Sorry but no, we can't censor.

I've addressed this question to some degree here.

No one is suggesting (at least, I'm not) that OSC or DC be censored, which is an act by the government to dictate what can be expressed and how. The issue is whether we as readers have, and should have, a sense of obligation to send a message to OSC and DC. The sorts of activities that he has been in engaged in should have real, meaningful consequences through whatever expression the rest of us can muster within legal means. We should send the message that his activities (not beliefs - activities)are not acceptable and we will not support them. This is not censorship, it's moral activism, and as citizens I believe we have a moral obligation to them for the improvement of this society. Our best, most effective recourse is to refuse to financially support the products that are put before us that come from those whose activities are morally objectionable.

And, once more, to those who say they don't care about his beliefs or activities as long as he writes good stories, you need to seriously re-examine your priorities.

Do I unknowingly support people and organizations that I disagree with morally? I'm sure I do, but only for as long as I don't know about them. I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart for nearly 15 years, for example, because of their anti-manufacturer pricing policies that have forced factory jobs out of this country and continue to do so today. Also, Wal-Mart has repeatedly taken legal action and submitted "friend of the court" briefs to protect China's interests over America's. Should I be refusing to shop at other stores too? Probably. As I discover the objectionable ones, they will be added to my list.

[big al]

You missed the part about him being on the board of NOM then.

That is the issue, not his beliefs.

ugggg.

so he's on a board suporting an issue....wouldn't he have to believe in said issue to be on the board and support it?

it's all about his beliefs.

someone is on the board of directors at say the NRA cause they believe in the right to bear arms, you can't have one without the other.

the issue is about him having beliefs that some people (probably the majority of people) don't support so they are being vocal about the fact that they don't support his beliefs which is fine.

it's all about individual belief systems in this thread, if you think otherwise your not understanding something.

my individual belief is that I don't care about his individual beliefs.

if he uses supes to push is beliefs then I would complain (even if I supported his statements) cause comics shouldn't be used for that in anyway.

[big al]

I've addressed this question to some degree here.

And, once more, to those who say they don't care about his beliefs or activities as long as he writes good stories, you need to seriously re-examine your priorities.

if it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't even know who the guy is so why should I have to re-examine anything?

I'm interested in why you believe this, I honestly am.

[AJBopp]

ugggg.

so he's on a board suporting an issue....wouldn't he have to believe in said issue to be on the board and support it?

it's all about his beliefs.

It's all about his activism.

[big al]

lol.

samething. c'mon now.

[AJBopp]

if it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't even know who the guy is so why should I have to re-examine anything?

I'm interested in why you believe this, I honestly am.

I need to explain why I believe we as citizens should support equality and fight active attempts to to justify and institutionalize inequality? Seriously?

I need to explain why I believe that not purchasing a product created by someone who does these things (whether it is an element of his activity or not) is a key part of expressing such support for equality? Seriously?

[AJBopp]

lol.

samething. c'mon now.

Saying you don't support marriage equality on a radio show is the same thing as giving financial support to politicians to codify such beliefs?

C'mon now.

[thehod]

Dave Sim is a misogynist. I still read Cerebus.
Bill Willingham, Frank Miller, Ethan Van Sciver all have political viewpoints I greatly disagree with. I still read their titles.
Neal Adams has some very questionable ideas on environment. I still read his Batman.
These are their opinions, but beyond voicing them, they do nothing to actually work to deny rights.

Card is a board member of a group that works to deny rights to homosexuals. They spread lies, misinformation and lobby to change public opinion on homosexuality in order to ensure that gay couples can never enjoy the right to marry currently afforded to everyone else in America. As a board member, Card helps dictate policy, strategy and actions of this group.

This is beyond his beliefs. This is about his actions. And his actions cause misery to untold millions of people.

For the last time. This is not about his beliefs.

[the4thpip]

For the last time. This is not about his beliefs.

And when you write "for the last time" you mean "until the next snot-nose teenager who read Atlas Shrugged comes into this thread and only reads the first and the last page", right?

[thehod]

And when you write "for the last time" you mean "until the next snot-nose teenager who read Atlas Shrugged comes into this thread and only reads the first and the last page", right?

Oh yeah. Totally.