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    Quote Originally Posted by stussyjones View Post
    When did cyclops say that they are nuts.
    Uncanny X-Men #534.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viteh View Post
    Did they really need to though? At the beggining they weren't doing anything wrong, in fact quite the opposite. Under Hickman BP and Beast point that out, but they are ignored. Everything that followed only happened because the Avengers invaded Utopia, aka initating the poking. Also at that point they didn't even know about Kun Lun so that wasn't a reason.
    Sure they needed to.

    If the point of all of it was for the mutant gene to be restored, that meant the Phoenix going to Hope. The P5 never surrendered the power to her, and according to Wanda none of them were strong enough to. The only option as far as any of them knew was to beat the Phoenix out of them. And it worked... freed the P5 from the Phoenix, and allowd Hope to restore the mutant gene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Guardian View Post
    Uncanny X-Men #534.
    Oh the quatine story arc yeah he did say that gut nuts. It seems like he using the general public now and feels a different way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Sure they needed to.

    If the point of all of it was for the mutant gene to be restored, that meant the Phoenix going to Hope. The P5 never surrendered the power to her, and according to Wanda none of them were strong enough to. The only option as far as any of them knew was to beat the Phoenix out of them. And it worked... freed the P5 from the Phoenix, and allowd Hope to restore the mutant gene.
    If I recall correctly at the end of AvX 5 they said they were gonna get her ready for it before giving her the power. They never got a chance to. I don't remember Cap even asking "Hey can we take Hope to Kun'Lun?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viteh View Post
    If I recall correctly at the end of AvX 5 they said they were gonna get her ready for it before giving her the power. They never got a chance to. I don't remember Cap even asking "Hey can we take Hope to Kun'Lun?"
    They did say that but in AvX 6 cyclops did say that hope is a child and doesn't deserve the Phoenix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viteh View Post
    Did they really need to though? At the beggining they weren't doing anything wrong, in fact quite the opposite. Under Hickman BP and Beast point that out, but they are ignored. Everything that followed only happened because the Avengers invaded Utopia, aka initating the poking. Also at that point they didn't even know about Kun Lun so that wasn't a reason.
    There is the possibility that from the Avengers beating the PF out of them, they actually saved their lives. As we've seen in the past, those who aren't strong enough mutants to host the Phoenix burn out from having it for too long. The post-AvX stories have shown us that (aside from Magneto who it needs to be explained due to him not having it), the P5 have had their powers messed up from their time with the Phoenix. Had the Phoenix not been forced out of them, the end result could have been worse.
    Holding out for a Peter/Miles team up.

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    The X-Men got beat up and then thrown in jail, that doesn't seem much like winning to me. The real winner in this whole thing is of course Wanda, who stepped out from limbo to reclaim her rightful place as leading lady of the Avengers, and by extension, the entire Marvel universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stussyjones View Post
    They did say that but in AvX 6 cyclops did say that hope is a child and doesn't deserve the Phoenix.
    That's true, I guess they were gonna wait for her to grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viteh View Post
    If I recall correctly at the end of AvX 5 they said they were gonna get her ready for it before giving her the power. They never got a chance to. I don't remember Cap even asking "Hey can we take Hope to Kun'Lun?"
    The problem is by AvX 6 Scott had decided that he didn't want Hope to have the Phoenix because she didn't deserve it.

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    Luckily the Avengers came by when they did, and were able to help her do what the X-Men by this point of the story simply weren't interested in helping her do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOff View Post
    The X-Men got beat up and then thrown in jail, that doesn't seem much like winning to me. The real winner in this whole thing is of course Wanda, who stepped out from limbo to reclaim her rightful place as leading lady of the Avengers, and by extension, the entire Marvel universe.
    In all fairness it was only the P5 (or some of them at least) rather than the X-Men as a whole that got beat up and thrown in jail.

    99% of the X-Men helped the Avengers do the beating up by the end there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    The problem is by AvX 6 Scott had decided that he didn't want Hope to have the Phoenix because she didn't deserve it.

    Luckily the Avengers came by when they did, and were able to help her do what the X-Men by this point of the story simply weren't interested in helping her do.
    Also towards the end the Phoenix force would probably have gone through with incinerating the planet, which was the fate of all the other planets on its path as it approached. So somewhat unwittingly the Avengers bought enough time to forestall the ultimate destruction of the Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    The problem is by AvX 6 Scott had decided that he didn't want Hope to have the Phoenix because she didn't deserve it.

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    Luckily the Avengers came by when they did, and were able to help her do what the X-Men by this point of the story simply weren't interested in helping her do.
    Again, you don't know that. Also, the Avengers had NO plan at that point. Luckily Marvel had a retcon ready for them to use right after attempting to kidnap her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viteh View Post
    Again, you don't know that. Also, the Avengers had NO plan at that point. Luckily Marvel had a retcon ready for them to use right after attempting to kidnap her.
    Cyclops flat out tells her to her face that she doesn't deserve the Phoenix. And we're told in issue 12 that no one except Hope has the strength to let it go.

    In order for things to get fixed, Hope had to get out of Utopia and help from the Avengers. That's what needed to happen, and that's what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stussyjones View Post
    In AvX issue 12 tony stark basically admits that the Phoenix is here to fix Wanda mess. Cyclops told Cap in AvX 1 that the Phoenix is mutant kind chance at rebirth. Mutant kind came back so we all know who really won.
    This ^^^ And if Tony had just realized that sooner instead of following Cap around like a lost puppy maybe the war could have been avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Maiden View Post
    Also towards the end the Phoenix force would probably have gone through with incinerating the planet, which was the fate of all the other planets on its path as it approached. So somewhat unwittingly the Avengers bought enough time to forestall the ultimate destruction of the Earth.
    Yeah... the Phoenix was being a real jerk in this event.

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