Batman's greatest enemy?

[osoito]

That's because there's plenty more famous, more history, than he.

That quote epitomises your input to this thread. You completely misunderstood the OP' original intent and have subsequently quoted yourself to disprove other people who have understood the thread. Its not a difficult concept to grasp either. If I asked you what was the greatest meal you ever had you wouldn't say well I have had spaghetti bolognese the most so that is the best.

Not to be completely sidetracked by one poster trying their idol best to derail an otherwise perfectly functioning opinion based thread. I would have to say the Joker. While I take on board other peoples' remarks about the two maintaining the status-quo. He has dragged Batman through some of his worst battles and has brought nightmares to life. Bane in Knightfall has to get a mention but not since then would I consider him Batmans GREATEST enemy

[whydelongeface]

That quote epitomises your input to this thread. You completely misunderstood the OP' original intent and have subsequently quoted yourself to disprove other people who have understood the thread. Its not a difficult concept to grasp either. If I asked you what was the greatest meal you ever had you wouldn't say well I have had spaghetti bolognese the most so that is the best.

Agreed lol
As for the question, I would say Bane. He broke Batman's back, put him out of commission for months, and caught him so off guard that he was desperate to put a complete nutcase in charge. He's someone who cannot only match Batman physically, but mentally as well.

[sunofdarkchild]

The problem is different writers make different characters his 'greatest enemy.' For O'Neal it was definately Ra's. For Dixon it was Bane. Before the bronze age it was Penguin. Morrison has pretty much made it Talia. The one other writers keep on coming back to as the 'greatest enemy' is Joker, and I'd say that is mostly because of the combination of Miller and Moore in the late 80s.

[ngroove]

That quote epitomises your input to this thread. You completely misunderstood the OP' original intent and have subsequently quoted yourself to disprove other people who have understood the thread. Its not a difficult concept to grasp either. If I asked you what was the greatest meal you ever had you wouldn't say well I have had spaghetti bolognese the most so that is the best.

Not to be completely sidetracked by one poster trying their idol best to derail an otherwise perfectly functioning opinion based thread. I would have to say the Joker. While I take on board other peoples' remarks about the two maintaining the status-quo. He has dragged Batman through some of his worst battles and has brought nightmares to life. Bane in Knightfall has to get a mention but not since then would I consider him Batmans GREATEST enemy

No, I don't accept OP's concept of "greatest enemy" - according to theory, despite Joker, Penguin, and Riddler's long dozens and dozens of legendary "games of wits" against the Batman, if one brand new "Johnny-come-lately" actually does something like "kill" Bats-again - before dying himself, permanently, without any plans whatsoever in bringing him back - HE would be "Batman's Greatest Enemy". Not acceptable.

[ngroove]

The problem is different writers make different characters his 'greatest enemy.' For O'Neal it was definately Ra's. For Dixon it was Bane. Before the bronze age it was Penguin. Morrison has pretty much made it Talia. The one other writers keep on coming back to as the 'greatest enemy' is Joker, and I'd say that is mostly because of the combination of Miller and Moore in the late 80s.

Joker had proven himself Batman's greatest enemy, ever since the start - the Golden Age alone.

http://goldenagebatman.goldenagecomi...ge%20Joker.htm

[The Baked Batman]

No, I don't accept OP's concept of "greatest enemy" - according to theory, despite Joker, Penguin, and Riddler's long dozens and dozens of legendary "games of wits" against the Batman, if one brand new "Johnny-come-lately" actually does something like "kill" Bats-again - before dying himself, permanently, without any plans whatsoever in bringing him back - HE would be "Batman's Greatest Enemy". Not acceptable.

It doesn't matter if you accept my "concept" or not, I posted the thread and I asked that question, lol. We're arguing over semantics and you're backing the wrong argument. My question is akin to asking "Which president of the US was the greatest in your opinion?" Which based on your definitions would be FDR solely on the fact he served the longest, nothing else.
Going by your definition and argument I could say "Joe Chill" is batman's greatest enemy since he was there from the beginning and in essence created Batman by murdering his parents.

Plus, if some schmuck were to get a lucky shot off on Bats and say, shoot him in the head and he died for good that wouldn't make him the "greatest" right then and there. He would just be the luckiest, perhaps.

[The Baked Batman]

Joker had proven himself Batman's greatest enemy, ever since the start - the Golden Age alone.

http://goldenagebatman.goldenagecomi...ge%20Joker.htm

And yet here we are in The Death of the Family where the Joker is not trying to kill Batman but make him STRONGER. Return him to how we used to be.

[Charmed1]

Considering that Hurt was a pretty crappy character and was the villian in an incredibly bad story I don't think he qualifies as even in the top 25.

Joker
Two-Face
Hush
Penguin

All much much better choices

[jmresp]

Bane was able to cripple Batman. That should count for something.

[whydelongeface]

Considering that Hurt was a pretty crappy character and was the villian in an incredibly bad story I don't think he qualifies as even in the top 25.

Joker
Two-Face
Hush
Penguin

All much much better choices

Lots of people on here feel that way about Hush. I think both stories are great but just saying.

[batman23]

And yet here we are in The Death of the Family where the Joker is not trying to kill Batman but make him STRONGER. Return him to how we used to be.

You actually buy that idea? How does having a family/team of superheroes make someone weaker?

That must mean the Justice League make Superman weaker. Righttt.....

[Blue_Beetle]

No matter how many Doctor Hurts, or Ras al Ghuls or Court of Owls or even Darkseids show up, The Joker will always be Batman's greatest enemy.

[Blue_Beetle]

Also, Dr. Hurt mainly got at Bruce. I think Bruce would care more about something happening to Jason Todd or Barbara Gordon than himself.

[The Baked Batman]

You actually buy that idea? How does having a family/team of superheroes make someone weaker?

That must mean the Justice League make Superman weaker. Righttt.....

I never said I believed that, I said that's what JOKER believes in... That in some (obviously) crazy way Joker is trying to help Batman, not defeat him.

[SicSexSix]

If Batman were real, and you were to pose the question to him, "Who would you consider a greater enemy, Mad Hatter, because you've faced him umpteen times, or Bane, who you only faced a dozen or so times?", I really doubt he'd say Hatter. Longevity in comics is due more to popularity than it is to level of menace in some cases, and no one thought up a dark mirror image of Batman like Bane way back when guys like Hatter & Clayface were created. If they had, this conversation might have taken a different turn. As for topping himself, the only way at this point Bane could ever one up himself would be to actually kill Bruce or enact some scheme to destroy everything in the cave, beat him into the ground, and then completely bankrupt him, or something that incredibly drastic. Could he do it? Yeah, I think so. I think Ra's could too. Joker, no. But Joker has a different M.O. and as we've bore witness to, knows how to strike at Bruce's heart, which Ra's & Bane haven't attempted because they both have a twisted sense of honor. Talia, yeah, I'd rank her right up there with those three after the crap she's been pulling, because it's a very borderline Ra's/Joker scheme, one to hurt him on multiple fronts, including emotionally. I'm not throwing my favorite Bat-rogues out as his greatest enemies, because that's just being biased. Bane is one of them, but if I was rattling off a list of faves, Black Mask & Croc would be here instead of Ra's & Joker. I'm going by who has presented the biggest threat, and who holds the most decisive wins, and that'd be Joker, Bane, Ra's, and I think it's safe to say Talia's joining that list as of late.