Are Mutants More Responsible For Killing Xavier's Dream Than Humans?

[Omegastorm]

What Axavier did was not "questionabale" it was both vile and outright evil, that means that the villian tag works very well// How in the hell can you consider slavery a "questionable" act?
No just about half of the public according to prosition X, and a majority of the Legislature, since the MRA still stands, and the bigot got they show in the MU White-house. Not all, but enough that the remainder are almost irreverent.

How is Scott any different? He kept Magick locked up in a cage with a bomb strapped to her chest and used her like a slave for a bit. I mean seriously, what Charles did was bad, really bad. He kept a sentient lifeform as a slave for years. But honestly on the scale of evil he didn't use her to try and destroy the world.

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[SayOcean]

How is Scott any different? He kept Magick locked up in a cage with a bomb strapped to her chest and used her like a slave for a bit. I mean seriously, what Charles did was bad, really bad. He kept a sentient lifeform as a slave for years. But honestly on the scale of evil he didn't use her to try and destroy the world.

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uhhhh neither did Cyclops, your white weave is too tight girl

[motherofpearl1]

Of course Xavier's dream was killed off by humans.

The ones currently running Marvel comics.

[ProfeZZor X]

Of course Xavier's dream was killed off by humans.

The ones currently running Marvel comics.

Interesting perspective... And you know, I kind of have to agree with you on that one. It seems like that mission statement has dwindled off and fallen by the waste side over the decades. X-Men stories have been more about character focus and internal complications that the overall goal of what they truly stand for and what they're trying to achieve. I understand they're trying to perpetuate the species, but the reason why they're all together is because of Xavier, and the philosophies he stood for. Were it not for him, none of them would be what they are today.

So the real question is, what went wrong? Was it the events of Deadly Genesis that made the X-Men not believe in Xavier's dream anymore. There were many sins Xavier's had to attone for, but I think it was at that point where he lost the respect of his fellow mutant family.

[Omegastorm]

uhhhh neither did Cyclops, your white weave is too tight girl

Cute... Anywho that doesn't make Scott any better. Like Father like Son and I don't see the outcry at all.

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[Omnihallows]

I remember the What If comic book, where Legion manages kill to Magneto, and without him what caused the anti-mutant sentiment, the mutants are famous celebrities, loved by everyone, or where Professor X becomes the Juggernaut and without his presence, all mutants join to Magneto, or where Magneto and Professor X had formed the X-Men Together, the government is allies of the mutants, as Magneto has never been part of the villains.

This shows that the main problem has always been Magneto, he incited hatred against mutants

also the metahumans can be mutants in the DC comics, both have a special gene, the x-gene and the meta-gene, but in DC universe they are not hated, as demonstrated in JLA vs Avengers, in the case of Flash in the Marvel Universe and the Avengers in the DC Universe

[Omnihallows]

Interesting perspective... And you know, I kind of have to agree with you on that one. It seems like that mission statement has dwindled off and fallen by the waste side over the decades. X-Men stories have been more about character focus and internal complications that the overall goal of what they truly stand for and what they're trying to achieve. I understand they're trying to perpetuate the species, but the reason why they're all together is because of Xavier, and the philosophies he stood for. Were it not for him, none of them would be what they are today.

So the real question is, what went wrong? Was it the events of Deadly Genesis that made the X-Men not believe in Xavier's dream anymore. There were many sins Xavier's had to attone for, but I think it was at that point where he lost the respect of his fellow mutant family.

Short Answer: Magneto, he incited the anti-mutant sentiment

[Imraith Nimphais]

For me this has always been a note of contention regarding "The Dream"....Yes, they are.
How in bloody hell do they expect humans to accept them when all they do is wreak havoc and loss of life fighting among themselves? Mutants have proven to be their very own worst enemy.

[anyajenkins]

It's kinda gone in cycles, sometimes it's better sometimes it's worse.

I don't see any part of that retcon absolving Xavier in the least

He didn't believe she sure was 'real' at first, talked to 'experts' shiar scientists who also said it wasn't possible. And when it still seemed she was there, he tried to figure out a way to free her without killing her. Maybe you don't think that's enough to 'absolve' him completely, but not in the least? That's ridiclous.

[bat39]

Short Answer: Magneto, he incited the anti-mutant sentiment

Well, therein arises the touchy point of continuity.

Looking at it from a real-world publishing history viewpoint, then Magneto's attack on the missile base in X-men # 1 was humanity's first exposure to mutant kind, and therefore one can make a compelling argument that Magneto triggered anti-mutant sentiment.

But taking into account the history of the Marvel Universe, and the X-verse in particular, that has since been retroactively built, it would appear that the knowledge of the existence of mutants, and anti-mutant hysteria, predated the emergence of either Magneto or the X-men.

The question of who threw the first punch would be quiet a complex one to unravel...it often is in most real-world conflicts and once you factor the endless retcons and re imaginings of comic book continuities, it only gets worse.

The general consensus now, in the mainstream continuity and in most adaptations, is that once isolated incidences of mutants manifesting their abilities and causing damage began piling up, the existence of mutants became known and anti-mutant hysteria began. THEN Magneto showed up and things only got worse...

[Omnihallows]

Well, therein arises the touchy point of continuity.

Looking at it from a real-world publishing history viewpoint, then Magneto's attack on the missile base in X-men # 1 was humanity's first exposure to mutant kind, and therefore one can make a compelling argument that Magneto triggered anti-mutant sentiment.

But taking into account the history of the Marvel Universe, and the X-verse in particular, that has since been retroactively built, it would appear that the knowledge of the existence of mutants, and anti-mutant hysteria, predated the emergence of either Magneto or the X-men.

The question of who threw the first punch would be quiet a complex one to unravel...it often is in most real-world conflicts and once you factor the endless retcons and re imaginings of comic book continuities, it only gets worse.

The general consensus now, in the mainstream continuity and in most adaptations, is that once isolated incidences of mutants manifesting their abilities and causing damage began piling up, the existence of mutants became known and anti-mutant hysteria began. THEN Magneto showed up and things only got worse...

also the metahumans can be mutants in the DC comics, both have a special gene, the x-gene and the meta-gene, but in DC universe they are not hated, as demonstrated in JLA vs Avengers, in the case of Flash in the Marvel Universe and the Avengers in the DC Universe. Always there someone who incited the negative sentiment, the Humans or the Mutants