The Ultimate Endgame for the O5 in the current Marvel Universe

[twobit]

This has to be heading towards a major endgame with the O5 and the old Scott. If nothing comes out of this than just oh well we tried and failed, status quo, than what has been the point. I know Bendis has been talking about Scott's return to the light and his redemption, but almost all of the X-men and Avengers need redemption over A vs. X. What do you believe is going to be the ultimate end for the O5, status quo or the Redemption of Scott Summers and a soft reboot.

[Ian Pressman]

Well, we've seen the way Iceman looks at Angel, but I suspect since other posters on this forum have stated that Bobby is a 'power-bottom', he wouldn't be adverse to Hank's attentions. Cyclops has been getting manhandled by Wolverine since he arrived in this timeline, so I suspect something could blossom between them if Angel isn't interested. Kitty will shut Jean down cold.

[infinitEEntropy]

I think older Scott is gonna die and teen Scott will stay in the present as the only Cyclops.

[Sundowhn]

I think older Scott is gonna die and teen Scott will stay in the present as the only Cyclops.

If Marvel is trying to slowly de-age the X-Men, I see this happening. If they went this route, I would think it may be awhile, though, as the Uncanny X-Men title just got relaunched and it's being hailed as the true flagship. Bendis would be cutting his legs out from under him to kill adult Cyke at this point.

It seems more likely that one of the other young ones will die and it will be proven somehow that it doesn't make the older version cease to exist. Maybe an arc of explanation on that will follow.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Something's going to go wrong, one of the O5 will die and it will be all modern Scott's fault. For whatever reason this will not grandfather paradox, but it will motivate modern Scott to realize that he's become a monster.

[MarvelMaster616]

This is a good question to ask and I'm glad someone started a thread about it because at this point it could go any number of ways. Bendis has said outright that he wants to be the one to write Cyclops's redemption story. Whether or not he'll get to finish that story is still in question because things in the comic industry change pretty rapidly and pretty dramatically. But one thing I'm fairly confident Marvel won't do is just send the Original Five back into the past without having changed much. That really would defeat the purpose and make their whole plot an overt gimmick. I also am fairly confident that it won't result in a reboot of sorts. Marvel, Tom Brevoort in particular, has said outright many times that 616 isn't going to be rebooted anytime soon. And I don't think they have a reason to either. Plus, a reboot would sort of defeat the purpose of Cyclops's redemption story. If time is just changed, then there's no need for him to be redeemed.

So in my view, the endgame is going to come in an event that will sort of be the anti-Schism. I think that the Original Five's presence is going to draw a major threat to the X-men, possibly Sinister or a new Apocalypse, that will further fragment the team. And it'll be up to both the Original Five and Cyclops to pick up the pieces and save the X-men and possibly the mutant race. Because even when he's not liked or respected, Cyclops has stepped up to lead the mutant race. And I think that unlike the past, the presence of his younger self will inspire him to adopt a less militant approach that will culminate in a victory that may not completely make up for what he's done. But it will earn him back the credibility and the respect that he needs to not be the villain everyone now sees him as.

This is all pure speculation and I've been wrong about these things many times before, but in the most general sense I see Marvel doing what it's done many times before when it has fragmented the X-men. They usually create an event that either brings them together or pulls them apart. Since Schism pulled them apart, naturally they need something to bring them together. And once the O5 see Cyclops do what he needs to do, they'll go back to the past and probably have their minds wiped. But they will have succeeded in their mission and that's key to whatever endgame.

It is still too early to tell at this point, but I think there's a lot of room to speculate and based on what we've seen thus far it could take so many forms. It'll be interesting to see which form Bendis chooses.

[chakal]

If Marvel is trying to slowly de-age the X-Men, I see this happening. If they went this route, I would think it may be awhile, though, as the Uncanny X-Men title just got relaunched and it's being hailed as the true flagship. Bendis would be cutting his legs out from under him to kill adult Cyke at this point.

It seems more likely that one of the other young ones will die and it will be proven somehow that it doesn't make the older version cease to exist. Maybe an arc of explanation on that will follow.

Remember "Days of Future Past"? Future Kitty didn't change her own future, he just created alternative timeline. Same here.
While de-aging X-men is extremely lazy idea, well, it might be the one that marvel will follow. It's sad that we'll never see the new age of heroes.

But for now, I'm satisfied with x-books. So much variety and choices.

[Drax1981]

[QUOTE=chakal;16590528]Remember "Days of Future Past"? Future Kitty didn't change her own future, he just created alternative timeline. Same here./QUOTE]

No, the way Beast went about it, this is the O5. Cut an ear of Warren and NuAngel is going to end up short an ear. Alternate universe shenanigans were accounted for.

[ShadowDemon]

Something's going to go wrong, one of the O5 will die and it will be all modern Scott's fault. For whatever reason this will not grandfather paradox, but it will motivate modern Scott to realize that he's become a monster.

In the MU, time travel cannot change your native timeline, but rather causes a split off of a new timeline, (cf "Days of Future Past").

[ShadowDemon]

[QUOTE=Drax1981;16590699]

Remember "Days of Future Past"? Future Kitty didn't change her own future, he just created alternative timeline. Same here./QUOTE]

No, the way Beast went about it, this is the O5. Cut an ear of Warren and NuAngel is going to end up short an ear. Alternate universe shenanigans were accounted for.

I've seen no evidence to support this.

[coconutphone]

In the MU, time travel cannot change your native timeline, but rather causes a split off of a new timeline, (cf "Days of Future Past").

Not always. DoomLocks prevent splinter timelines when time travelling for example. You can make up any way you want around it if that's what the writer wants. You can also undo it if you're a different writer or editor down the road.

Max Landis has a great quote that his dad told him.

"How do you kill a vampire?"

"Uh... garlic, stake through the heart..."

"No, you can kill a vampire any way you want BECAUSE VAMPIRES DON'T FUCKING EXIST. You can make up any rule you want."

[Sanji]

I've seen no evidence to support this.

Beast explains it in the first issue.

[chakal]

I'll believe it when I'll see it happen.