Harry Potter vs Predator

[Siriel]

The problem is, it's not a historical account of what actually happened, it's a fairytale. Hardly the most reliable thing to base history books off, especially when weighed against a lifetime of research on what really happened by someone like Dumbledore (who usually tends to be pretty thorough in his research, whatever else may be said about him).

Dumbledore was obsessed with the Hallows during the time he knew Grindelwald. When Ariana died, he ran away from the subject because of what he now associated with it and for fear of the temptation. He spent two months with Grindelwald.

That is not "a lifetime".

What would you rather believe, a children's fairytale or a an interpretation by a scholar and the closest thing to an expert on the subject?

For the purpose of this question, has that 'scholar' spent all of two months researching it (while also planning to conquer the world), had his family life ruined by his research on these objects, repeatedly proved unreliable and irrational as far as it is concerned and afterward tried to stay as far away from it as possible?

Because yeah, I'm more going to trust the fairy tale that might be entirely based on what actually happened.

[Sol M]

Dumbledore was obsessed with the Hallows during the time he knew Grindelwald. When Ariana died, he ran away from the subject because of what he now associated with it and for fear of the temptation. He spent two months with Grindelwald.

That is not "a lifetime".

For the purpose of this question, has that 'scholar' spent all of two months researching it (while also planning to conquer the world), had his family life ruined by his research on these objects, repeatedly proved unreliable and irrational as far as it is concerned and afterward tried to stay as far away from it as possible?

I assumed he researched it in his later life as well, seeing how it was more than a passing interest for him, instead of inexplicably forgetting about it after two months.

Besides, the fact remains that he seems to be considerably more knowledgeable about the subject than anyone else we saw, except Grindelwald himself. He owned one of the Hallows for years for years for crying out loud.

[Siriel]

I assumed he researched it in his later life as well, seeing how it was more than a passing interest for him, instead of inexplicably forgetting about it after two months.

He was specifically trying to move on with his life because he'd realized he couldn't be trusted with power after the trauma of losing his sister. You realize this, right? He says so himself. Just like he also says that he didn't trust himself to not seek them again if tempted, just like he proved to not be able to restrain himself from grabbing the Resurrection Stone without even checking if it was cursed.

I am at this point thinking that you need to reread the book if you intend to keep discussing this.

Besides, the fact remains that he seems to be considerably more knowledgeable about the subject than anyone else we saw,

Xenophilious Lovegood was capable of tracing the Elder Wand's path throughout history from memory. That's already more actual research than Dumbledore's shown.

He owned one of the Hallows for years for crying out loud.

So? How does using one of them as a wand, which he picked up from someone, make him an expert on their origins?

[Sol M]

He was specifically trying to move on with his life because he'd realized he couldn't be trusted with power after the trauma of losing his sister. You realize this, right? He says so himself.

I am at this point thinking that you need to reread the book if you intend to keep discussing this.

Hmm...I do not remember this. Perhaps you are right.

Xenophilious Lovegood was capable of tracing the Elder Wand's path throughout history from memory. That's already more actual research than Dumbledore's shown.

So? How does using one of them as a wand make him an expert on their origins?

Lovegood never actually found a Hallow. Dumbledore possessed two of them for a very long time.

It stands to reason that he and Grindelwald could trace the objects further than Lovegood, if they could actually locate them and Lovegood couldn't.

Granted, the cloak was more luck than anything.

Then again, as you say, memory is clearly failing me on this matter.

[Siriel]

...No, Dumbledore did not track down a single Hallow.

He got the Wand from Grindelwald when they faced each others for an unrelated reason, the Cloak from James by sheer luck, the Stone by coincidence in the Horcrux hunt.

Grindelwald managed to track one of them down, and he researched them both before and after his time with Dumbledore.

What you are saying at this point does not match what the book says, both on the duration of Dumbledore's research and it's actual results.

[Sol M]

...No, Dumbledore did not track down a single Hallow.

He got the Wand from Grindelwald when they faced each others for an unrelated reason, the Cloak from James by sheer luck, the Stone by coincidence in the Horcrux hunt.

Grindelwald managed to track one of them down, and he researched them both before and after his time with Dumbledore.

What you are saying at this point does not match what the book says at all, both the duration of Dumbledore's research and it's actual results.

Hrrm...fair enough.

[Siriel]

This was fun though, we don't often get to debate about non-rumble things.

I may have lost sight of the actual fight along the way

[Sol M]

Yep. Though, well, it mostly happens when the Rumble itself isn't difficult to resolve, and no one is arguing against it.

[Surtur]

As I recall, after the death of his sister Dumbledore stopped looking into the hallows. Then when he found out James had an invisibility cloak it peaked his interest again. Not to the point he began researching them, but he had to at least inspect that cloak.

Though it's worth noting whether or not he is specifically right about the hallows being created by wizards, he obviously thought wizard magic could create such things. So perhaps in his research(not necessarily hallow research) he came across similarly potent magic from before his time. Hell it could be that Death created the hallows, but there also exists some lost uber magic. Unfortunately it seems like we'll never know.

[Siriel]

Well, we know they have invisibility cloaks that deteriorate over time and aren't quite as good, and the Elder Wand is obviously just a better version of what they all use.

The Resurrection Stone is the only thing they don't have a poorer equivalent of. It's also the main thing that point toward the tale being possibly true.