So I would still suggest that WB is looking very carefully at how Superman is presented, whether the character strays too far from the "defined" character as the public perceives him, and how that affects the box office.
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While its true that the 'Dark Knight' reinvention of Batman started in 1986-7 with DKR and then Year One, its Keaton's 'Batman' that returned the character to its dark roots in the popular consciousness. Prior to this, the average non-comic book reader likely associated Batman with Adam West or with 'Superfriends' and other related Hanna-Barbera/Filmation cartoons.
'Man of Steel' is in the position to transform the public perception of Superman, much like 'Batman' did almost a generation ago. The question is, whether it will be accepted as the definitive vision of the character thereafter. 'Batman' was, and paved the way for 'Batman: The Animated Series', a whole slew of similarly-themed animated films and video games, and eventually the Nolan reboot. Will MOS enjoy the same success?
Man of Steel Superman will probably be some kind of 'caring sharing mangina'. Superman is Comicbook superhero top dog, Numero Uno Superhero. he may not be as popular as Batman or Spiderman but he is THE superhero, full stop. The man all the others aspire to. Now in this day and age of female empowerment crap rolling up in all our media, people expecting to see Chris Reeves Superman will be sorely dissapointed.
Look at Superman Returns for instance. Superman was playing second fiddle to Lois Lane in his own film. She was the emotionally strong one, he was just some immature stalker who couldnt accept that this 'super woman' had moved on. This is a man who can change the course of mighty rivers and juggle tanks, but here you had some slip of a woman coming up with crap like 'does the world need Superman' and making HIM look like a loser and Her as some girl power heroine.
What a lot of CRAP. Now i hear Superman is likely to get his ass kicked by a woman in the new film. Why is that? Obviously you have to give the women what they want, to hell that this is a film about the manliest hero of all time. Media nowadays is too scared to show men doing manly things. having a hero called Super-Man in a womans world obviously makes some film execs and marketing people nervous. I can see man of Steel going something like this :Superman will get the crap knocked out of him by Zod and his female lackey faora but Superman with some kind of 'you can do it' pep talk from Lois Lane or her endangerment will then proceed to kick ass, as he is obviously useless without the help of a woman's input and would probably die under a rock without Lois Lane as motivation.
Superman should be unapoligetically ass kicking fighting machine. You wouldnt get Car chases and explosions in womens flicks like 'beaches' so why do we have to put up with soppy romantic 'touchy feely' nonsense in action films mainly for boys and men? Of course many female read comicbooks but nowhere near as much as males.
Let Superman kick ass and not be some pussywhipped bitch of a mangina. Thats why Superman films fail, they are too scared to actually make him 'Super'.
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I think MOS will likely be over the top in spectacle. Maybe at the expense of the actors. But WB are so uncommited to their superhero movies, its hard to predict anything except they will probably be very slow in developing the big screen versions.
That was due to the studio receiving too many complaints from parents about the darkness of "Batman Returns" and McDonald's ending it's Happy Meal offer earlier than normal. Warner cared more about merchandise being sold, than making a really good and somewhat faithful film. It took "Batman & Robin" failing to make them realize the error of their ways.Kilmer and Clooney films strayed further away (granted they were unquestionably worse scripts in their own right) and they had increasingly disappointing sales figures. Christian Bale brought Batman back to the point where he epitomized the defined character, and sales went through the roof.
I'm sure they are, but they also have faith in Nolan and Goyer which is why they went with them to reboot the character.So I would still suggest that WB is looking very carefully at how Superman is presented, whether the character strays too far from the "defined" character as the public perceives him, and how that affects the box office.
Faora and subsequently Ursa were presented as dangerous threats equal to their male counterparts. That's why they were introduced into the lore. As to Lois giving a pep talk, that's pretty common in the lore all together. Not because of "giving what the women want", but it is part of Superman's relationship to Lois.Originally Posted by blakkrussian
True. But if WB went bonkers on this film, then it will be all for naught if it fails to break even or exceed the budget.Originally Posted by Kurosawa
As for Superman's relationship with Lois, but don't you think they went a bit overboard with Superman Returns?
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Besides, Batman's image wasn't hurt fighting Catwoman in "Batman Returns" and Wolverine was just fine after fighting Mystique and Deathstrike in the first two "X-Men" films.
You're jumping to conclusions. Odds are that he'll get his ass handed to him by both Zod and Faora and then comes back to beat them.So she will be more of a threat than Zod then? So in a film of a few superstrong kryptonians a woman will be the most powerful and dangerous? This film looks like a fail already. I won't mind if Superman gets beaten up by faora and later comes back to kick ass, but i reckon Superman will only be able to defeat her with some form of help. Lets face it, Superman beating up a woman in a film will look wrong to most people, so i can only see him beating her by trickery . And this is a guy who could turn BEAST and kick Hulk or Thor's ass in about 3 seconds according to most battle forums?
No, that's par for course. I suggest reading some comics and watching the other media.As for Superman's relationship with Lois, but don't you think they went a bit overboard with Superman Returns?
don't be one of these guys talking about 'if you don't like it go elsewhere' because if you can't accept the fact i am having legitimate concerns about the films just take our own advice and skip my posts and read someone else's. The OP asked a question i am having my input on a messageboard. Any problems with that?
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