I agree with you Superlad, unfortunately I enter the thread just now, but next time I will come to your aid (if I feel like it of course). You don't have to defend your ideas alone anymore, bro.Nope, I was saying it could work in a similar but different way. Superman dates Wonder Woman and Lois dated Clark not Superman. You simply flip how their respective dynamics worked. Superman goes on more dates with Wonder Woman than Clark does with Diana. Lois did the same and she didn't have a second ID. She could be intimate with Superman because she was with Clark and it would look bad. She had to interview and speak to Superman in public as a friend or reporter never a lover. Even while she was with him and other heroes where around she couldn't really show affection if the hero didn't know who Clark was. But behind closed doors it was no holds bar.
What you get with Diana is that she would be able to be intimate with Superman more than Clark. Granted their relationship is still finding it's legs so they have been pretty secretive about it when it come to the JL but if and when that changes they will be able to show their love when not on a mission.......just like how Lois and Clark could show affection at work but they would try and keep it a bit more PG because they're on the job.....see the link?
And again Wonder Woman has no problem in her title or here in Young Romance putting on street clothes and going out with someone.....this is in noway out of character. Then we also have the fact that nobody actually notices her likely because of Superman's reasoning in JL. But he has been seen in her title out being normal.....just with no secret ID.
So yes in many ways this can work out just the same if written right.
This is more meta talk and you just assuming how people will take it based on how you feel......I don't feel this way so this really disproves what you are saying because you are generalizing. I already said that the meta concept of Superman and Lois is very good and solid........but again what if someone (me, other people who don't care) just doesn't care about the meta.
We've already learned that in Action comics Superman is Clark in part because Clark helps people in his own way making him a much needed hero to his world. So he wont stop being Clark just because he's dating a Superhero......he'll just be.....well.....dating a Superhero and then he goes home and goes to work.
You are also not taking into consideration the new 52's direction that Clark doesn't actually seem himself as a human at all. DC says that he's a bit more distant from humanity in the new 52 and a bit more alien in that he know's that he's NOT one of us and can never be one of us.
This is and interview with current (head writer of sorts) of the Superman main book Scott Lobdell:
In this interview Scott is very clear on Superman's view on himself.
SL: I don't know that he can ever abandon it, at the end of the day, no matter how much he wants to be human, he's not. He's from another planet and that will also be the case, regardless of who raised him. While he spent the first two thirds of his life being a kid from Smallville, he's still a kid from Smallville, who was never truly human and had to hide that from his friends and the rest of the world. I know that a lot of people see Superman as this shining light on a hill, showing us how we can be the best of what we are and how humanity can rise to superhuman heights, but I always look at that as scant, because at the end of the day, Superman can do things that none of us can ever, ever do. And so this notion that Superman would see himself as an ideal, I don't see him that way. I see him as a person who lives on a planet not his own and trying to use his powers to do what's best for the rest of the people that live here. I don't think he's going to view himself as an outsider, that kind of James Dean, not-fitting-in outsider, as much as he has to be aware every time he looks at those around him that he's not part of us. That doesn't mean he has to be sad about it, or anything. But I do think he's always going to be Superman.
He very clearly says that Superman know that he will never ever be one of us but it doesn't have him all bent out of shape. He's fine with being an alien who grew up in smallvillw now he Superman. Superman DOES NOT IDENTIFY HIMSELF AS A HUMAN IN ANYWAY.
This doesn't mean that he doesn't have a lot in of similarities with us, more so than he may even have with a kryptonian, but he know that he's just not one of us and he can't be no matter who he dates. He can only protect and help us but never truly assimilate with us.
So no he doesn't particularly need to seek love with a human to be happy in the new 52 because he's very happy with himself. The validation that some people think Superman needs to function in his life is just disturbing to me. Wonder Woman just makes him feel comfortable she doesn't validate his Superman ID as you seem to suggest that Lois and a human romantic relationship does for his Clark side. Like if he's not dating a human then Clark stops being a part of his life.....that's wrong by definition. Superman has maintained his Clark side just fine for 20 plus years in the new 52 without being with a human girl.
I think you're assuming too much.
I don't dispute that this couldn't happen but it also could not. Also this runs off the topic to branding and not the actual story which was my original point and reason for even posting.
My two cents on this: I think you are dipping largely from your own personal Superman (1980's it seems) and just assuming that, that is the bar for all Superman to get to. But that's wrong in the sense that it's just not true; the Sliver age Superman was very much Superman 1st Clark 2nd. He didn't himself as a human in any way shape or form. He also didn't need any human girl to validate his love for humanity; Lois was only one of the girl that he liked.