...As for Batman in particular killing the Joker, aside from the slippery slope argument, there's also the fact that Batman is a vigilante taking the law into his own hands, and he's the only one in Gotham who's intelligent enough to keep up with the Joker's brand of insanity. If he actually killed the Joker, it would probably be more difficult for people like Gordon to justify working with a known murderer, and the GCPD would have to do something about Bruce.
The problem is that writers keep upping and upping the level of slaughter the Joker commits, yet they'll dumb down every avenue that could/should stop a threat that's hitting national, if not global attention. All the practical elements in a story that would apply to any other villain are written to be impotent against the Joker: the courtroom, the police, the vigilantes that do kill or government sanctioned ones. The Joker has even died and we had the Bat family resuscitating him (The Last Laugh). Crazy.
Stories like Joker: Devil's Advocate may exploit the technicalities of our laws, but at the same time, we're not going to a keep putting a genocidal killer in a facility that cannot hold him, over and over again. I would find this continued use of the Joker more acceptable if his criminal activity floated under the radar, but it doesn't. And the fact we've seen he can be caught and he can be killed, makes it evident those moments that contrive to give him a safety net.
I still firmly believe that people want to see Joker dead more because of the personal nature of his attacks (and perhaps because of his popularity, as others have pointed out), regardless of the arguments they might use.
I agree. That's why I keep saying that Batman is a Kantian deontologist, a fundamentally different moral system than their endlessly harped on utilitarian urgings. Your compass may be utilitarian, Batman's is not (on this issue of murder), that's his choice.People need to stop applying their own moral compass on to Batman
Some utilitarians don't seem to see that there are other moral systems. Kantian deontology is a longstanding one, and it's not a consequences-of-doing-X-or-not-doing-X driven moral system.
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DC discarded their history, and now has none. DC will always be in the shadows of their past work.
And sure, our judicial system is not going to sentence the mentally ill to death, but neither will they endanger the public by placing him in a compromised facility. If writers are going to keep escalating the body-count, then the idea of Arkham being an appropriate containment for Joker becomes more ridiculous.
With every new story event, I'm amazed that the Joker--who's threat-level is almost parallel to the DEFCON nowadays--is not courting the attention of the government, a private sector group, or simply a more cutthroat vigilante. At this stage, it shouldn't rely on Batman or the GCPD to eliminate this problem. Your mention of Bin Laden is a good example of this type of intervention without trial, but I'm not trying to bring real world equations into comics. I understand fantasy and the suspension of disbelief. I just think writers have bankrupted this villain's effectiveness. DotF may be the last Joker storyline I read for a long while.
Okay hear me out. In Arkham Alsyum the video game, Oracle mentioned something about Joker and a dead baby. I think in an interview of the joker, he showed them a picture of a dead baby. In No Man's Land, Joker kidnapped a bunch of infants and held them as hostage, if I'm not mistaken. He throws one to the ground so Sarah Essen was distracted and then he killed her. Remember that. So is joker above killing infants, toddlers, etc.
Joker isn't above anything unless he feels like it. Depends on the incarnation.
"Finally got rid of all those pesky white males that were burdening the team! Now the Ultimates are urban hipsters... what everyone demanded!" - Exciter
Would he, yes. Should they ever show the Joker killing babies, no.
Joker draws the line at Nazism; anything else is fair game.
Whats up with people trying to justify the level of evil here.
The Joker isnt someone whos supposed to be that likable. Dont justify it at least. At leats acknowledge that he's a murdering scumbag and state that you like him for the humor or whatever.
He would kill you, he would kill his friends, he would rape women, he would kill children, he doesnt care. He is a scumbag. I love how people think that he can kill tons fo people but if he kills children "hes totally evil!"
People vilify killing children more than just being a straight up murderer but at the end of the day it's still murder.
As said Joker draws the line at nazism, he would murder a baby for kicks. They would never show it but he would.