What path should !Teen! Cyclops go?

[mikekerrIII]

Nope. Without the Avengers, Danny wouldn't have even known about the impending Phoenix. And Scott wasn't accepting outside help, his mantra was it was a mutant issue, mutants would deal with it. Unfortunately he tried and failed to prepare Hope.

No outside help was ever offered, violence, threats and demand were offered but nobody offered the slightest bit of help

[mikekerrIII]

Uh, all the X-Men believed in Hope. Kurt even died for her, which is literally more than Scott ever did.

The Avengers believed in Hope too, it just took them longer.

they started believing in her after two murder attempts by Avengers

[Warspite]

WHY must we all be absolute?...

(1)Hope was not ready to host the Phoenix Force. she needed training.

(2)Cap came to Utopia offering NO training whatsoever, just "protective custody"(read: arrest, keeping her AWAY from the PF).HE was the one that forced cyclops' hand, not the other way round like suggested.

Cyclops was wrong(1). Captain America was wrong(2).

at start, NOBODY was thinking "get Hope in training". it was either "host the Phoenix NOW, Hope is ready" fallacy(=blown up planet), or "stop it, Hope wont ever be ready" fallacy(=nuclear winter of X-sanction).

both parties were wrong. why cant people see that?

as to cyclops' contribution to mutantkind: i think he helped a LOT. he just wasnt the most defining factor. i repeat, think of the events from a distance.

who saved Hope when she was a baby?
who found out the Avengers would be foolish and stop her from hosting the PF, warning cyclops?
who beat the living s**t out of the Avengers on his own?(KO'd Cap, KO'd Falcon, outhacked Iron Man(!!!), incapacitated Red Hulk, etc)
who enabled timetravel to stop the Nimrod army?
sure, Cyke helped a lot in keeping the mutants together. but Cable kicked serious butt.

[Juggs]

WHY must we all be absolute?...

(1)Hope was not ready to host the Phoenix Force. she needed training.

(2)Cap came to Utopia offering NO training whatsoever, just "protective custody"(read: arrest, keeping her AWAY from the PF).HE was the one that forced cyclops' hand, not the other way round like suggested.

Cyclops was wrong(1). Captain America was wrong(2).

at start, NOBODY was thinking "get Hope in training". it was either "host the Phoenix NOW, Hope is ready" fallacy(=blown up planet), or "stop it, Hope wont ever be ready" fallacy(=nuclear winter of X-sanction).

both parties were wrong. why cant people see that?

as to cyclops' contribution to mutantkind: i think he helped a LOT. he just wasnt the most defining factor. i repeat, think of the events from a distance.

who saved Hope when she was a baby?
who found out the Avengers would be foolish and stop her from hosting the PF, warning cyclops?
who beat the living s**t out of the Avengers on his own?(KO'd Cap, KO'd Falcon, outhacked Iron Man(!!!), incapacitated Red Hulk, etc)
who enabled timetravel to stop the Nimrod army?
sure, Cyke helped a lot in keeping the mutants together. but Cable kicked serious butt.

To me both Gambit and Cable was huge factors to Mutantkind.

[refrax5]

It's just that that's what everybody is expecting of him, to stay true to the dream, that's why beast brought him back after all. Everybody is so sure he's the idealistic, old boy scout cyclops...
It would be interesting to see that he actually stays true to himself.
It's the old "if you had the chance to go back would you make different choices?" Probably not, young or old, you're still the same person...

I get what you're saying, but current Cyke has had years of tragedy and possession and hard choices that made him who he is now. And, as much as I like him, he seems a bit unhinged these days. I'm not saying teen Cyke should just be exactly who he was, but he just hasn't lived through any of the stuff that made our Scott the way he is. And while it would be interesting to see him sympathize with himself, I still think he needs to be very distinct or there's no point in keeping him around.

[DarKHard]

WHY must we all be absolute?...

(1)Hope was not ready to host the Phoenix Force. she needed training.

(2)Cap came to Utopia offering NO training whatsoever, just "protective custody"(read: arrest, keeping her AWAY from the PF).HE was the one that forced cyclops' hand, not the other way round like suggested.

Cyclops was wrong(1). Captain America was wrong(2).

at start, NOBODY was thinking "get Hope in training". it was either "host the Phoenix NOW, Hope is ready" fallacy(=blown up planet), or "stop it, Hope wont ever be ready" fallacy(=nuclear winter of X-sanction).

both parties were wrong. why cant people see that?

as to cyclops' contribution to mutantkind: i think he helped a LOT. he just wasnt the most defining factor. i repeat, think of the events from a distance.

who saved Hope when she was a baby?
who found out the Avengers would be foolish and stop her from hosting the PF, warning cyclops?
who beat the living s**t out of the Avengers on his own?(KO'd Cap, KO'd Falcon, outhacked Iron Man(!!!), incapacitated Red Hulk, etc)
who enabled timetravel to stop the Nimrod army?
sure, Cyke helped a lot in keeping the mutants together. but Cable kicked serious butt.

see!you wrong again,without nightcrawler suicidal act to save Hope,all that things you mentioned is gonna lay to waste....okay,if you want the credits goes to your favorite hero only i can play those game too,it's Wolverine! sure cyke,cable,avengerd,etc. do blah,blah,balh. but only wolvie gets the job done because he's the best at what he does!and that's it and that's all that matters oh! and Toad too! you need the janitor do the dirty work that you wouldn't do it yourself,gotta give em' the credit too!

LOL,i'm outta here,time to go to bed after sending those loser on 6hr plane on that dumb game.

[RCX]

Ok, so what would happen if he joins Mystique? He's a teenager, not a child. He knows the difference between good and evil. How will she manipulate him?

[Sanji]

How will she manipulate him?

Same way Xavier did.

[mikekerrIII]

Same way Xavier did.

She can't MIND rape him like Xavier did

[alphaflightfan69er]

Without Wolverine, Wanda and the Avengers, Hope wouldn't have been prepared to house The Phoenix and Cyclops would've gotten Earth (and all it's mutants) destroyed. Funny how that works out.

They pretty much admitted that was BS they came up with later to cover their own asses. Its called moving the goal posts.

A few days with Mr Miyagi is nothing compared to what cable has shown her her whole life.

[twobit]

I thought the whole point of the CAble series leading up to his death was that she was trained to be ready, and that no writer really ever covered that she was trained. Selective writing and remembering I guess