Winter Soldier, #15

[Don Quixote]

Really excited for this. It's a shame so many people are dropping the book after Brubaker leaves. I really hope this book stays alive for at least two arcs.

I would say it's less to do with Brubaker leaving, and more to do with the fact that he hamstrung the book on the way out of the door. If Marvel didn't dicate it, then Brubaker's decision to end the Bucky/Natasha relationship smacks to me of a childish 'no one else gets to play with my toys' resolution. And given that I was drawn into this book as much by the "Mr & Mrs Smith" promises as I was by a liking for the characters as individuals, the 'new direction' for the book has removed two thirds of my interest. And with Bucky on his own, on some presumably grim and gritty quest to get over his heartbreak and earn redemption for his past, I'm not buying in.

[klinton]

I'm with Bucky untill the wheels fall off. Looking forward to this new team and arc.

Agreed, 100%! The new team looks solid, and I can't wait to see where they take him.

I really hope this book blows up with internet buzz and pulls a Hawkeye.

There are so many pathetic naysayers who've jumped on the 'it's going to suck without Bru' bandwagon that it's going to take some equal amounts of positive spin to cleanse thier addled minds of thier convictions.

[DebkoX]

Damn. So considering this. I pray it isn't cancelled.

[Stars 'N Stripes]

I like the stylistic credits "sequence".

[rogerio]

I like the stylistic credits "sequence".

Klein's artwork is stunning.
If WS is really doomed I have my fingers crossed to see him drawing another volume of Dancer.

[Prince Of Orphans]

I would say it's less to do with Brubaker leaving, and more to do with the fact that he hamstrung the book on the way out of the door. If Marvel didn't dicate it, then Brubaker's decision to end the Bucky/Natasha relationship smacks to me of a childish 'no one else gets to play with my toys' resolution. And given that I was drawn into this book as much by the "Mr & Mrs Smith" promises as I was by a liking for the characters as individuals, the 'new direction' for the book has removed two thirds of my interest. And with Bucky on his own, on some presumably grim and gritty quest to get over his heartbreak and earn redemption for his past, I'm not buying in.

I understand your concern. If Marvel really did dictate this, which I believe they did, it was really stupid to essentially force write off such an important supporting character. At least we know Nick Fury Sr. will make up for it a bit.

[Still Don't Care]

I understand your concern. If Marvel really did dictate this, which I believe they did, it was really stupid to essentially force write off such an important supporting character. At least we know Nick Fury Sr. will make up for it a bit.

LOL. Natasha should never be some sidekick's supporting character. She is an Avenger in her own right. if anything, he should be hers.

But that's never the way that Brubaker wrote them. She was always standing by her man, patting him on the back to make him feel better about all of his angst and suffering.

Oh, poor Bucky.

More like poor Natasha.

I can't wait for this story to start fresh and new without the baggage of tearing down Natasha. Bucky deserves better than that terrible relationship, she deserves better than that terrible relationship ,and the author's said he wants to build Bucky up to a better place.

Thank god. You can't go much lower than the crap that was Brubaker's run. It can only go UP from here.

[TonyStark1012]

Agreed, 100%! The new team looks solid, and I can't wait to see where they take him.

I really hope this book blows up with internet buzz and pulls a Hawkeye.

There are so many pathetic naysayers who've jumped on the 'it's going to suck without Bru' bandwagon that it's going to take some equal amounts of positive spin to cleanse thier addled minds of thier convictions.

I'm with you for sure on everything here. I really hope people give it a chance.

[samson3191]

Everyone, PLEASE support this title! Yeah, Bru is gone and he basically created the Bucky we know today. He's gone through a load of character development and now he has his own title. Don't let it die!

I for one am very stoked for the series. Loved every issue Bru wrote, but I trust Latour. Seems like he's got a good grasp of the character. Plus the book has never looked better and that is really saying something. I really hope this series stays along for a long time, especially with the Captain America: Winter Soldier movie coming out.

Support the new team!

[jackolover]

Everyone, PLEASE support this title! Yeah, Bru is gone and he basically created the Bucky we know today. He's gone through a load of character development and now he has his own title. Don't let it die!

I for one am very stoked for the series. Loved every issue Bru wrote, but I trust Latour. Seems like he's got a good grasp of the character. Plus the book has never looked better and that is really saying something. I really hope this series stays along for a long time, especially with the Captain America: Winter Soldier movie coming out.

Support the new team!

Is Bucky now someone who can support his own book? To me Bucky is like Logan when he was first introduced onto the MU stage in the X-Men. He was broody, mysterious, and had no connections. To me, these qualities make Bucky one of those characters that never goes away. Bucky has a very Steve Rogers sense of justice, so he will do anything to go and get the bad guy, to a fault. It's what infuriates Steve Rogers the most. Bucky is like Steve so much, it's like trying to control a little brother. So if anything, Bucky Barnes is this loose cannon, who only knows how to seek justice, and won't stop until he has achieved it. You can see a distinct difference from James, and, Nick Fury and Steve Rogers. Whereas Nick and Steve have distinct missions in life, Bucky Barnes has no Uncle Ben, or the safety of the world on his shoulders. But he feels the injustice of what goes on around him, and he tries to make it right. That is his mission in life. That's what makes Bucky Barnes. He is impetuous, indignant, and fa too courageous for someone who doesn't have the durability of the super heroes.

There should be a club house for the Bucky's, Clint Barton's, Natasha Romanovs, etc that have the task of doing what super heroes do, but without the added ability of surviving deadly blows, so that they can relate to the common vulnerability they each have, and what they have to do to compensate. Just like the long suffering female Super Heroes should also have a club about there isolation from the boys club they have to survive in. Sort of like support sessions, for the frustrations in their line of business.

You look at the legend Hawkeye and the Black Widow have carved out for themselves, and you get a sense of what they have to do to survive and be effective in this dangerous environment of the MU. Another planet in the Universe and those guys would not have the challenges they have on Earth. Earth is like a crucible for non-powered adventurists, so people like Nick Fury have worked out ways to beat the super people at their own game. Bucky has to devise this system as well, and it's a good thing Nick Fury has been helping him every step of the way. Nick Fury should be the President of that club, if they ever put it together.

Bucky, and the members of his club are like the original masks that appeared in the 1940s before the Human Torch and Namor came along. Bucky, Nick, Clint, Natasha could be the 21st Century equivalent of the Angel and Miss America. It's possible that they could support their own book as an Invaders group with an agenda similar to the Illuminati, because of what Nick Fury is trying to achieve. That there are many ways to protect the world besides the super heroes and their extraordinary abilities. Sometimes you have to be smarter and dig out the danger from the ferret holes, that the super people don't notice. The metas are only interested in the high testosterone high visibility actions. The Nick Fury's of this world go below the surface and look at all the manipulations that might bring those high publicity threats here. Bucky is one of those people that Nick Fury could need.

[TonyStark1012]

Everyone, PLEASE support this title! Yeah, Bru is gone and he basically created the Bucky we know today. He's gone through a load of character development and now he has his own title. Don't let it die!

I for one am very stoked for the series. Loved every issue Bru wrote, but I trust Latour. Seems like he's got a good grasp of the character. Plus the book has never looked better and that is really saying something. I really hope this series stays along for a long time, especially with the Captain America: Winter Soldier movie coming out.

Support the new team!

Agreed wholeheartedly. Give the book a chance if you like or love the character.

[WinterSoldier76]

There should be a club house for the Bucky's, Clint Barton's, Natasha Romanovs, etc that have the task of doing what super heroes do, but without the added ability of surviving deadly blows, so that they can relate to the common vulnerability they each have, and what they have to do to compensate. Just like the long suffering female Super Heroes should also have a club about there isolation from the boys club they have to survive in. Sort of like support sessions, for the frustrations in their line of business.

You look at the legend Hawkeye and the Black Widow have carved out for themselves, and you get a sense of what they have to do to survive and be effective in this dangerous environment of the MU. Another planet in the Universe and those guys would not have the challenges they have on Earth. Earth is like a crucible for non-powered adventurists, so people like Nick Fury have worked out ways to beat the super people at their own game. Bucky has to devise this system as well, and it's a good thing Nick Fury has been helping him every step of the way. Nick Fury should be the President of that club, if they ever put it together.

Bucky, and the members of his club are like the original masks that appeared in the 1940s before the Human Torch and Namor came along. Bucky, Nick, Clint, Natasha could be the 21st Century equivalent of the Angel and Miss America. It's possible that they could support their own book as an Invaders group with an agenda similar to the Illuminati, because of what Nick Fury is trying to achieve. That there are many ways to protect the world besides the super heroes and their extraordinary abilities. Sometimes you have to be smarter and dig out the danger from the ferret holes, that the super people don't notice. The metas are only interested in the high testosterone high visibility actions. The Nick Fury's of this world go below the surface and look at all the manipulations that might bring those high publicity threats here. Bucky is one of those people that Nick Fury could need.

I love the idea of a "New Secret Warriors" book with Nick Fury (Sr.), Bucky, Widow, Mockingbird, Paladin, Hawkeye, Shang Chi, and maybe John Walker or Prince of Orphans?

As for Buck, Widow, Fury and Hawkeye, only Hawkeye is a "regular" non-enhanced human. Widow has the Red-Room version of the SSS and both Fury and Bucky have the Infinity Formula, not to mention Buck's bionic arm.

[Godlike13]

I would say it's less to do with Brubaker leaving, and more to do with the fact that he hamstrung the book on the way out of the door. If Marvel didn't dicate it, then Brubaker's decision to end the Bucky/Natasha relationship smacks to me of a childish 'no one else gets to play with my toys' resolution. And given that I was drawn into this book as much by the "Mr & Mrs Smith" promises as I was by a liking for the characters as individuals, the 'new direction' for the book has removed two thirds of my interest. And with Bucky on his own, on some presumably grim and gritty quest to get over his heartbreak and earn redemption for his past, I'm not buying in.

I understand your concern. If Marvel really did dictate this, which I believe they did, it was really stupid to essentially force write off such an important supporting character. At least we know Nick Fury Sr. will make up for it a bit.

Bru thought they were canceling the title, and the book was going to end around #14 or #15.

[jackolover]

I love the idea of a "New Secret Warriors" book with Nick Fury (Sr.), Bucky, Widow, Mockingbird, Paladin, Hawkeye, Shang Chi, and maybe John Walker or Prince of Orphans?

As for Buck, Widow, Fury and Hawkeye, only Hawkeye is a "regular" non-enhanced human. Widow has the Red-Room version of the SSS and both Fury and Bucky have the Infinity Formula, not to mention Buck's bionic arm.

I suppose technically, you're right. Misty Knight would fall in that category too. But I still see them as much more vulnerable to physical attacks than supers, who have real resistance and healing.

[jackolover]

I would say it's less to do with Brubaker leaving, and more to do with the fact that he hamstrung the book on the way out of the door. If Marvel didn't dicate it, then Brubaker's decision to end the Bucky/Natasha relationship smacks to me of a childish 'no one else gets to play with my toys' resolution. And given that I was drawn into this book as much by the "Mr & Mrs Smith" promises as I was by a liking for the characters as individuals, the 'new direction' for the book has removed two thirds of my interest. And with Bucky on his own, on some presumably grim and gritty quest to get over his heartbreak and earn redemption for his past, I'm not buying in.

There is a kind of tragedy associated with this book. It kind of leaves things like Episode 111 of Star Wars, where R2D2 was mind wiped at the end just to leave him free to be unhindered in episode 1V. The same goes for Black Widows mind wipe, making her available for AVX , without the encumbrance of needing to stick with Bucky. It's tragic, but there is precedence. It's also a little bit like Luke and Leia. Why didn't Obi Wan tell Luke, Leia was his sister? Because Obi Wan wanted them to discover this for themselves? There's a bit of that with Peter Parker and MJ Watson in BND, not knowing they were once married, too.