BuuHan Vs Sentry

[Cody]

Sentry destroys Buuhan. He won't even be ten counted. Even his immortality feats are better than Buu's.

Yea your the only one saying this. Unless you can say why and how he could destroy Buuhan I don't see this valid. Quite frankly this should be a good fight

Unless you're only talking about the visible from the regular universe aspect of the feat here, planet busting while holding back isn't unknown power.

This has already been addressed. Read up please.

There was a long winded thread here about this very subject that I'd be surprised you missed with your kind of activity level, so I won't touch this with a ten foot pole anymore. I just don't have it at hand and I don't trust the search function. But beyond that, feats don't exist in a vacuum.

Again this has been addressed. I am pretty sure the one who created said thread was Nik and even he agrees it was not on that level.

You just go look at his other best feats if you want a fuller sense of how strong Sentry can be. Like, I think his anti Strange+ shields and Crimson Bands feats could be better than that Genis feat. Maybe the Cube one too.

An extreme exaggeration though those other feats are a bit more reliable. I have seen his other feats and they do not come close to those levels.

Gee if that's the direction this thread is going...

Unwarranted, especially if you read my reply to this statement. Quite frankly despite what you and Pandaran said, this thread is going quite well.

[HectorP]

He was still hurt by attacks from Photon, Blue Marvel, Anti-matter, Collective, WWH(fight was pis/cis but he can still be hurt by him),Thor and even Iron man. All of which happened after the fact..unless you can admit them hitting harder then the cosmic cube..then..yea we kinda have to. I mean if Photon can't match the cubes power yet manage to hurt Sentry then that would kinda make the feat SMvFL. Correct me if I am wrong of course. I don't want to use the SMvFL thing so much on one of my favourite characters if I don't have too :/.

Saying a fight was PIS/CIS but bringing it up anyway is bizarre so I'll leave it at that. Feats are taken in context and within character presentation. The presentation of the Sentry way back in 2000 was as someone who required the entire superhero community of Earth (and even an indeterminate number of genre savvy villains) collectively assembling just to fight the threat he represented via the Void. This is also when the "holding an escaping Cosmic Cube for an appreciable amount because Reed asks" happened. I think it's pretty telling that Reed, in his wisdom, asked the Sentry to do that instead of, say, asking the Thing to hold the Cube surrounded by Invisible Woman's forcefields. If you think being hurt by Iron Man years after the fact is remotely consistent with all that, the problem lies elsewhere, and if Sentry hadn't had subsequent feats like the Genis one, the anti multi teams New Avengers one, the anti Terrax one, the anti Crimson Bands Doom one or the anti Molecule Man one...

Even in the context of the Iron Man feat you mention, Iron Man was screwed if not for exploiting his mental state, which is a far more consistent aspect of the character than assuming the Sentry is only around the Iron Man and similar guys payload. Trying to claim that will take you nowhere.

Don't want to sound bitter, but I think this will become Night of the Living Dead Arguments: The Thread.

[HectorP]

Yea your the only one saying this. Unless you can say why and how he could destroy Buuhan I don't see this valid.

Because the Sentry has been successfully argued for years for being around the Thanos level of power (you need only look up that thread for starters if you think it's just me), which is more than enough for here, in addition to his many area attacks (even in a fight so laundry stacked with PIS against him it was ruled as inadmissible for evidence here as the WWH one is, he still had enough area coverage to fill an arena match with one) and the fact that even if you ignored his high end durability showings, the Sentry has shown that even if you can hurt him, he can throw area attacks (like the aforementioned tendrils, which are also numerous enough to fill the entire arena) even when half his body is still dispersed, like when he disintegrated Loki.

[Cody]

Saying a fight was PIS/CIS but bringing it up anyway is bizarre so I'll leave it at that. Feats are taken in context and within character presentation. The presentation of the Sentry way back in 2000 was as someone who required the entire superhero community of Earth (and even an indeterminate number of genre savvy villains) collectively assembling just to fight the threat he represented via the Void. This is also when the "holding an escaping Cosmic Cube for an appreciable amount because Reed asks" happened. I think it's pretty telling that Reed, in his wisdom, asked the Sentry to do that instead of, say, asking the Thing to hold the Cube surrounded by Invisible Woman's forcefields. If you think being hurt by Iron Man years after the fact is remotely consistent with all that, the problem lies elsewhere, and if Sentry hadn't had subsequent feats like the Genis one, the anti multi teams New Avengers one, the anti Terrax one, the anti Crimson Bands Doom one or the anti Molecule Man one...

You misunderstand mate. I was just saying that if the energy output shown there WAS on a solar system radius then it would have to be smvfl since he has never, ever, shown anything on the scale ever again. Even as the Void. I never said the fight itself was. I also brought up a point that it the energy being shot out could have been a mix of BOTH Sentry's and Photons unless Photon's are somehow different. No one has said they were as of yet so..that is still up there. While with WWH I meant was him being hurt by it may not have been pis/cis but being tagged by the hulk was. If you want to consider the whole thing pis/cis then okay.

And in terms of durability he has also shown to have multiple lesser extents as well. Blue marvel sending him into orbit with a punch for example should be nowhere near on the level of the cosmic cubes yet it did a lot of damage to him. Photon should not be on that level yet still proved to be a serious threat, anti-matter again not on that level managed to break Sentry's hand, absorption man managed to hurt him quite a bit(i am talking before he was imbued with the cosmic cube btw), thor managed to hurt him(when he actually hit him), iron man, wonder man, ms marvel, ultron, Hercules, etc. Quite frankly he has MORE feats of being hurt by attacks that are on a far lesser scale than the cosmic cube than he does from beings that ARE on that level.

Even in the context of the Iron Man feat you mention, Iron Man was screwed if not for exploiting his mental state, which is a far more consistent aspect of the character than assuming the Sentry is only around the Iron Man and similar guys payload. Trying to claim that will take you nowhere.

I was saying when the Sentry was trying to capture Iron man. Tony got a lucky punch on him and drew some blood...before being systematically torn apart.

Don't want to sound bitter, but I think this will become Night of the Living Dead Arguments: The Thread.

Don't see how...things seem to be going civil thus far.

[abmccray]

Does Sentry atomize or spread apart molecules (vaporize)? Because vaporization is pointless against Buu, since he'll come back together, and Sentry isn't really fast enough to spread him out enough to really make it a ten count.

That's really the difference in this battle. Otherwise, it seems to be a bit of a battle where neither one can really get rid of the other (unless magic manipulation has more effect on Sentry than molecular, which it probably doesn't). "More energy" doesn't atomize, you have to either "erase" (genki dama or a strong enough ki blast since it's plot device-y) or atomize (break the molecules apart into separate atoms as opposed to spreading them out - he was already vaporized and it did nothing - that's what "turning into smoke" is).

As for WWH, Hulk had planet busting area strength in the arc before it, and it was the same basic Hulk - him being able to hurt Sentry in there seemed right around Sentry's presentation (even if the art made the hits look pathetic). The only SMvFL part of that was Sentry not using speed at all.

[Cody]

Because the Sentry has been successfully argued for years for being around the Thanos level of power (you need only look up that thread for starters if you think it's just me), which is more than enough for here, in addition to his many area attacks (even in a fight so laundry stacked with PIS against him it was ruled as inadmissible for evidence here as the WWH one is, he still had enough area coverage to fill an arena match with one) and the fact that even if you ignored his high end durability showings, the Sentry has shown that even if you can hurt him, he can throw area attacks (like the aforementioned tendrils, which are also numerous enough to fill the entire arena) even when half his body is still dispersed, like when he disintegrated Loki.

It has been agreed that though Sentry might do damage on Thanos, Thanos would easily mind screw him. And I don't see how they are on the same level of power since one is able to shatter planets with a punch and shrug off hits from the surfer like they were nothing while the other only has shown to have powerful energy attacks that are on a similar scale to Thanos's.

And Buuhan has an incredible aoe range as well here. Ones that would go at faster speeds..I don't see too much of an advantage here. Especially since said attacks would have a hard time tagging Buu.

[HectorP]

I was saying when the Sentry was trying to capture Iron man. Tony got a lucky punch on him and drew some blood...before being systematically torn apart.

Do you think I was referencing a separate incident?

[Surtur]

The only SMvFL part of that was Sentry not using speed at all.

Eh, I'm also pretty sure it said Sentry was going all out, yet his energy output seemed to only destroy the surrounding buildings.

[Cody]

Do you think I was referencing a separate incident?

I did. Either way it did stun him a bit and it does fit with the other showings I posted. Maybe.

[abmccray]

Eh, I'm also pretty sure it said Sentry was going all out, yet his energy output seemed to only destroy the surrounding buildings.

I applied that to "bad art." They should have been vamporizing everything around them just via shockwaves, but, yeah. However, the character balance (Hulk being Planet Buster level) seemed to be about correct in strength, if not speed.

[Surtur]

I applied that to "bad art." They should have been vamporizing everything around them just via shockwaves, but, yeah. However, the character balance (Hulk being Planet Buster level) seemed to be about correct in strength, if not speed.

It really depends on if I'm remembering right on whether or not Terrax turned off the power to his axe before destroying that planet. If so, remember Sentry effortlessly caught and wasn't even budged by the guys strike.

[Siriel]

Okay, so two things I'll point out. One is a moderatory thing, the other is just me.

First, moderatory thing:
The fact that "a character has been treated that way a long time" doesn't mean anything. Unless it's something really silly (Superman having superspeed) or a mod ruling, feats still have to be provided if asked.
Because we can and have been wrong about stuff for extended periods of time in the past (see Thor and timestop). I'm not saying if that's the case or not here.

Now just my comment:

Because vaporization is pointless against Buu

Dude has visibly started to have trouble regenerating and getting tired after getting his ass kicked for a bit. His regeneration is not infinite.

[Cody]

Okay, so two things I'll point out. One is a moderatory thing, the other is just me.

First, moderatory thing:
The fact that "a character has been treated that way a long time" doesn't mean anything. Unless it's something really silly (Superman having superspeed) or a mod ruling, feats still have to be provided if asked.
Because we can and have been wrong about stuff for extended periods of time in the past (see Thor and timestop). I'm not saying if that's the case or not here.

Now just my comment:


Dude has visibly started to have trouble regenerating and getting tired after getting his ass kicked for a bit. His regeneration is not infinite.

Actually I think that was mostly due to using up his energy reserves against Vegetto since he was literally throwing everything at him. And even if it slows it(could I ask for a scan when that happened btw plz?)it doesn't necessarily mean it stops his regeneration abilities.

I'll use my fellow Canuckian Wolverine as an example. Sometimes his healing factor takes a bit to kick in, and when really severely damaged his healing factor likes to take a bit of time to heal his injuries due to being exhausted(again correct me if I am wrong). I think that would be the same case for Buu. But I would have to see the scan of that incident.

[HectorP]

It has been agreed that though Sentry might do damage on Thanos, Thanos would easily mind screw him.

Congratulations on not disagreeing with anything I said. Having a weakness has jack to do with overall power, any number of people from Pre-Crisis Superman to Mad Jim Jaspers had a glaring weakness.

I think it's telling for the tone of this thread that the Sentry has also been successfully argued for black holes and a Gladiator level of "DBZ speed looks like statues" anti planet blitzing also being insufficient to down the Sentry.

And I don't see how they are on the same level of power since one is able to shatter planets with a punch

The other releases planet busting power being unharmed at the center of it all while holding back and overpowers Doom in an instant through the unhindered Crimson Bands, which have full body shielded against a supernova and stopped a rampaging angry Hulk dead cold, with no apparent effort from the Sentry.

and shrug off hits from the surfer like they were nothing

The other punts a Herald with ideas of killing everyone off the Earth while looking bored just while during his paper route disaster solving route that according to Stark and Reed was merely a form of therapy for the Sentry, no selling everything Terrax threw at him and one hand, standing in place disarming the dude so hard he not only ripped the weapon from Terrax's full body charging, double handed swing but also turned his hand fingers into a smouldering stump, which is something the Surfer and Morg couldn't remotely replicate the same way.

It's only through mental gymnastics that the Sentry isn't above Heralds on that feat alone, let alone some others or his character presentation, which is precisely where the Thanos payload ranks.

while the other only has shown to have powerful energy attacks that are on a similar scale to Thanos's.

Impressive, innit. Unless this thread will become about how it isn't.

[HectorP]

Eh, I'm also pretty sure it said Sentry was going all out, yet his energy output seemed to only destroy the surrounding buildings.

Unless the Warbound weapons are of far better craftsmanship than I know or remember, they also swatted aside the Sentry energies like they were a camp fire.

Bad writing, SMvFL, PIS, CIS, garden gnomes, whatever you want to call it that happened during that fight, it was so numerous you can't really fault anyone for ruling close the door on the whole thing.