Page 9 of 17 FirstFirst ... 5678910111213 ... LastLast
Results 121 to 135 of 246
  1. #121
    Choke LeonardEugenius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Temple, TX
    Posts
    4,710

    Default

    This was delicious

  2. #122
    Bitch, what? BBeeryan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    with you
    Posts
    5,155

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LeonardEugenius View Post
    This was delicious
    Your avi is gonna poke one of my eyes out.
    Believe me, if I'd felt it was the way to go, I would have done it. Thank the goddesses I didn't have to. But don't flatter yourself, you couldn't have stopped me if you tried - Storm

  3. #123

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Aguja View Post
    I just don't think Marvel has a lot of effeminte or flamboyant gay characters so that is the issue I don't understand. Most of them are background I admit but which ones do people think are stereotypical?
    I think some of the people in this thread have really bizarre definitions of "effeminate" and "flamboyant".

    Like, I'm sorry, but I have never seen a Marvel gay wearing make-up or beating up the Brotherhood in full drag. Instead, I have seen a lot of them punch, hit, look muscley, protect others, and - indeed - drink beer - all activities I believe people like to think of as "masculine".

    Could people please list these Marvel characters who are gay and, y'know, bullying real-world gays by their "effeminate" domination of the media? Quinnhop?

    And no, one scene of a character crying in magenta, does not the above make.
    Last edited by MarvelGirlBoy; 02-01-2013 at 05:27 AM.

  4. #124

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pixie_Solanas View Post
    she's an ambulatory Mad Lib. You can fill in the enormous blanks inherent to the character with your own ideas.
    Gone off her?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yogaflame View Post
    Is that some horribly inelegant racist/anti-Africa joke?
    LOL. What.

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganAlpha30x33 View Post
    True but unless there's a continuing storyline behind it then it is just for the shock value and such or if it's Cluster then it's to give a push to Fantomex, the problem wtih that would be that many people would then only want her with women from that day forward, since she did it once...much like Buffy...true it happens in real life but Betsy imho has never shown any inkling and that's a big change to a character to where not every future writer will agree with it, as Wood will not be the last writer to write her and I doubt that all of them would be for it, if I had to guess then I'd guess that it was Rachel or Storm or maybe Jubilee, besides which Betsy unfortunately will still be with the creepy Fantomex 3 and their feelings for her. Take Rictor for example, until PAD did a 180 and changed his sexuality Rictor was as straight as they come, Nicieza the writer that had written almost all fo what those fans who liked them together use admitted after leaving X-Force that he knew that some peopel felt that way and wrote what he did to tease them, nothing more.
    Er, no. Rictor was "as straight as they come." Show me the panel he walked on and declared his heterosexuality (and, for that matter, was confirmed as not lying). What was shown was his sometimes-difficult past relationships with women, as well as some very clear, if not at-the-time explicitly sexual, homoerotic interaction with Shatterstar. Having sex with women does not stop someone being gay (or bisexual).

    People should watch Girls, instead of the New Normal. Same actor, truer gay.

  5. #125
    She CAN control It! OmegaPower's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Portugal
    Posts
    647

    Default

    Needs more Rachel news :/

  6. #126
    Elder Member Hi-Fi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    15,139

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirlBoy View Post
    I think some of the people in this thread have really bizarre definitions of "effeminate" and "flamboyant".

    Like, I'm sorry, but I have never seen a Marvel gay wearing make-up or beating up the Brotherhood in full drag. Instead, I have seen a lot of them punch, hit, look muscley, protect others, and - indeed - drink beer - all activities I believe people like to think of as "masculine".

    Could people please list these Marvel characters who are gay and, y'know, bullying real-world gays by their "effeminate" domination of the media?

    And no, one scene of a character crying in magenta, does not the above make.
    When I said I felt the need for more decent gay characters in the X-Books, I was talking about having more representation. More well-written representation. And about being able to relate, on a more personal level. I never mentioned the words "effeminate" and "flamboyant".

    Here's how I see the current gay characters in the X-Men books (which I don't consider bullies and never will):

    Northstar: bitchy and distant are basically his only traces. Ever since the wedding announcement, he became propaganda. I have no problem with that, I think it's great (even though I'm not fond of the institution of marriage at all). I just dislike the character. And that actually has nothing to do with "which kind of gay" he is (as ridiculous as that query is).

    Kyle: he's basically a punchline, getting in troube every other arc. He cries for Northstar. He's happy for Northstar.

    Anole: a lizard boy. He's OK. I don't think a lizard gay boy represents me, though.

    Graymalkin: a grey limbo-ed kid.

    Howlett and Hercules: great, but about to vanish in two months.

    Rictor and Shatterstar: I think they work. I like them.

    Can I not ask for more? Shouldn't we?

    At the end of the day, we can relate to whatever character. I love Rogue, for instance. In a way, I probably used to saw my drama in a similar fashion she did. But, for the first time, I feel like there's space for actually having more characters in the comics who are closer to us in every way. And for the first time, I feel like I can demand it.

  7. #127
    C'est kinky Seresecros's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    20,837

    Default

    Characters shouldn't be gay and then ignored, really. If a character is gay, then don't be afraid to write about how much they like other men. There's a smattering of gay characters, but they're all pretty sexless. There's a reason Northstar's greatest moment was a quick cameo in Hercules (double entendre intended)

    Of course, this doesn't account for females like Bling, who is hopefully still working on bagging Rogue

  8. #128
    salt in my porridge jarrod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    28,880

    Default

    Rachel's totally gay and we all know it. Just make it official Brain Woods.

    Also, she's a Howlett.
    X-Poster of the Month: janvier 2010 et mars 2012 et août 2013
    --- something something I do! ---

  9. #129
    Elder Member Hi-Fi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    15,139

    Default

    If anyone felt offended or "bullied' by my words, I apologize. I'd never advocate against anyone's right to do/be whatever/whoever. That said, it's not rare for me to express myself in a poor way. So again, sorry.

  10. #130
    She CAN control It! OmegaPower's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Portugal
    Posts
    647

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jarrod View Post
    Rachel's totally gay and we all know it. Just make it official Brain Woods.

    Also, she's a Howlett.
    I like my Rachel bi. Can't the girl have the best of both worlds?

  11. #131
    salt in my porridge jarrod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    28,880

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaPower View Post
    I like my Rachel bi. Can't the girl have the best of both worlds?
    EDIT: I reconsidered. Bi like daddy worx.
    Last edited by jarrod; 02-01-2013 at 06:10 AM.
    X-Poster of the Month: janvier 2010 et mars 2012 et août 2013
    --- something something I do! ---

  12. #132

    Default

    Rachel is definitely a butch bisexual, like her brother Daken.

    Maybe the big reveal in issue 1 is Karma giving her a come-to-bed look.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hi-Fi View Post
    When I said I felt the need for more decent gay characters in the X-Books, I was talking about having more representation. More well-written representation. And about being able to relate, on a more personal level. I never mentioned the words "effeminate" and "flamboyant".

    Here's how I see the current gay characters in the X-Men books (which I don't consider bullies and never will):

    Northstar: bitchy and distant are basically his only traces. Ever since the wedding announcement, he became propaganda. I have no problem with that, I think it's great (even though I'm not fond of the institution of marriage at all). I just dislike the character. And that actually has nothing to do with "which kind of gay" he is (as ridiculous as that query is).

    Kyle: he's basically a punchline, getting in troube every other arc. He cries for Northstar. He's happy for Northstar.

    Anole: a lizard boy. He's OK. I don't think a lizard gay boy represents me, though.

    Graymalkin: a grey limbo-ed kid.

    Howlett and Hercules: great, but about to vanish in two months.

    Rictor and Shatterstar: I think they work. I like them.

    Can I not ask for more? Shouldn't we?

    At the end of the day, we can relate to whatever character. I love Rogue, for instance. In a way, I probably used to saw my drama in a similar fashion she did. But, for the first time, I feel like there's space for actually having more characters in the comics who are closer to us in every way. And for the first time, I feel like I can demand it.
    I was directing my comments more at Quinnhop, based on his comments here and here, since you'd already sort of clarified, but thanks for repsonding anyway. But I edited my original to ask him directly.

    I'm a bit like Optic Rage, representation isn't really a huge concern for me. I can feel more represented by a brain in a jar or a peg-leg Vietnamese lesbian than by any of the gay characters we've had in the X-verse so far, and that's cool with me. However, that's not to say it isn't an issue.

    I agree with your assessment of the characters, too.

    But again, a "masculine" gay seems to diverge from the current collection much less than a truly "flamboyant" gay male mutant. So if you want diversity of representation, shouldn't you be advocating that addition?

    I think a problem and a strength of the X-Men is the endlessless of mutants (which for some reason the Avengers now want to co-opt as the endlessness of superheroes). With the X-Men there will (and have) always be (and been) loads of Limbo flotsam simply because the comics have to focus on a selection of characters to develop, and mutant numbers (by necessity of the metaphor) preclude that possibility. It is great for utilising supporting characters. But it means that loads of characters fall by the wayside, so that when "representation" is factored in, and this happens to ethnic minority and sexual minority characters, it looks like tokenism and bad storytelling. All that they are is "gay" and "black". This happened with Anole and Graymalkin (and Northstar is just a badly written character, for the most part). And they then seem sexless (another issue, as Seresecros pointed out) because we don't see them having any interactions to back up their "gay" label. Even if a well-written new gay mutant came along as a main character, well, s/he'll probably get Limbo'd after their creator leaves, and the same complaints happen. So I'm not sure there's an easy solution, without changing what the X-Men are.
    Last edited by MarvelGirlBoy; 02-01-2013 at 06:20 AM.

  13. #133
    salt in my porridge jarrod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    28,880

    Default

    Anole's twitter was great and the trolls ruined it by saying it wasn't masc enuff. :[
    X-Poster of the Month: janvier 2010 et mars 2012 et août 2013
    --- something something I do! ---

  14. #134

    Default

    Well then his twitter had more personality than he ever did.

    Also, boo to the femphobic trolls.

  15. #135
    BANNED
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    24,751

    Default

    anole is useless, has boring powers, and a poor attitude. he's quite possibly the biggest disappointment of the entire new x-men class. can't believe wind dance got depowered so this guy could get some page time.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •