UNCANNY AVENGERS: Are Havok, Wanda, and Rogue Just the Hired Help?

[Crawford]

Oh, she's totally more interesting that way. I do love a good villain who's totally unrepentant about the evil they caused, especially one with such selfish reasons.

pretty obvious, considering your poster name...

[AcesX1X]

Why do you assume that Rogue or Havok would want to join the Avengers?

supposedly, they are already avengers. just not part of the celebrity team. i'm not even sure these people are getting properly paid?

[timeismoney]

pretty obvious, considering your poster name...

That made me lol.

[XPac]

supposedly, they are already avengers. just not part of the celebrity team. i'm not even sure these people are getting properly paid?

True, but they're joining a specific Avengers team that deals exclusively with mutant related issues. It's possible the would prefer being on that team to the "celebrity" team because of that. And they may not want to be in 2 Avenger teams like Logan does.

Obviously we're speaking hypothetically since we don't know for sure.

[klinton]

supposedly, they are already avengers. just not part of the celebrity team. i'm not even sure these people are getting properly paid?

I think you're just looking at it wrong. They're all Avengers. It's just that the narratives are more distinct than they have been in the past.

AWC was always 'Avengers', just different. New Avengers vol.2 was so indistinct that people were unsure of which roster went where.

Here we have two distinct rosters, but who all intermingle in the third Avengers title (Assemble).

If that makes any sense? (Assuming, of course, that you're looking to make sense and not just stirring the pot...). :p

[manos]

That is essentially the fear the X-Men have in regards to Cyclops though. They fear a mutant Civil War on the horizen. I'd assume that's an X-event that Bendis has pencilled in somewhere down the line... though I wonder if the Avengers will have any part in that. Aside from Logan, who obviously is an Avenger in addition to being an X-Men.

Better for the Avengers to stay away from mutant problems from now on. The X-men were always too insular in their little world of victims. Better to let them duke it out and let the writers decides who lives and go on vacation oh I'm sorry I mean die.

[Pat Thomas]

This thread is ridiculous. All these characters are full fledged Avengers, with whatever that entitles one to. The Uncanny Avengers division, or whatever you want to call it, is what Cap decided to set up, because he took to heart what Cyclops said about the Avengers non-involvement in mutant affairs. True, he recruited some specifically for this team, but what is the problem with that? Don't companies hire individuals for specific jobs? Cap recruited those he thought would best serve the mission statement for the team. Also, in all of 3 issues, we don't even know how often the Avengers teams will cross paths, and what each character's responsibility is. Haven't you ever heard of someone who actually has other responsibilities at their job than the main job title? An example I can think of is when a company has employees from different departments form a safety commitee. Most of these people perform this duty at set intervals while doing their regular work daily. Of course, there is usually a full time safety director, and assistants whose primary job function is this. But they are all still employees of the same firm, and each individual has a specific job function. What is wrong with that? And how often would every employee be needed for one task?

[Voss]

True, but they're joining a specific Avengers team that deals exclusively with mutant related issues. It's possible the would prefer being on that team to the "celebrity" team because of that. And they may not want to be in 2 Avenger teams like Logan does.

Obviously we're speaking hypothetically since we don't know for sure.

Yea, this is were I wanted the conversation to go when I asked that question. In the case of Uncanny Avengers, Rogue and Havok interests are aligned with what Cap is offering. Rogue gets to carry on Xaviers dream in a different way and Havok is motivated by his brother. That might mean redeeming his family name, or proving that to the world that him and his brother aren't alike, or even a felt responsibility to clean up his brothers mess. Whatever the case, their interest are aligned.

I think the wrong questions are being asked on this thread. Instead of asking why someone was being offered the job over someone else ask yourself why that specific person was asked in the first place. Are they at a bad place in their life and maybe want something more? Are they motivated? Do they have some sort of interest that align with what the Avengers are presenting? Does Steve trust that person? When you ask those type of questions the answer for certain characters like Shang Chi, Falcon, Cannonball, Sunspot, and Hyperion (read issue 4) become clear.

Captain America has been leading people for a very long time. He knows exactly what he is doing. He doesn't want anyone on that team like Havok or Rogue that aren't motivated to be there. I love Psylocke and there are a ton of characters that I would swap out for her in a heartbeat. But really, why the f would she care about the Avengers especially at this point in her life? Hopefully you understand the point I'm trying to get across.

[CJStriker]

This thread is ridiculous. All these characters are full fledged Avengers, with whatever that entitles one to. The Uncanny Avengers division, or whatever you want to call it, is what Cap decided to set up, because he took to heart what Cyclops said about the Avengers non-involvement in mutant affairs. True, he recruited some specifically for this team, but what is the problem with that? Don't companies hire individuals for specific jobs? Cap recruited those he thought would best serve the mission statement for the team. Also, in all of 3 issues, we don't even know how often the Avengers teams will cross paths, and what each character's responsibility is. Haven't you ever heard of someone who actually has other responsibilities at their job than the main job title? An example I can think of is when a company has employees from different departments form a safety commitee. Most of these people perform this duty at set intervals while doing their regular work daily. Of course, there is usually a full time safety director, and assistants whose primary job function is this. But they are all still employees of the same firm, and each individual has a specific job function. What is wrong with that? And how often would every employee be needed for one task?

Yea, this is were I wanted the conversation to go when I asked that question. In the case of Uncanny Avengers, Rogue and Havok interests are aligned with what Cap is offering. Rogue gets to carry on Xaviers dream in a different way and Havok is motivated by his brother. That might mean redeeming his family name, or proving that to the world that him and his brother aren't alike, or even a felt responsibility to clean up his brothers mess. Whatever the case, their interest are aligned.

I think the wrong questions are being asked on this thread. Instead of asking why someone was being offered the job over someone else ask yourself why that specific person was asked in the first place. Are they at a bad place in their life and maybe want something more? Are they motivated? Do they have some sort of interest that align with what the Avengers are presenting? Does Steve trust that person? When you ask those type of questions the answer for certain characters like Shang Chi, Falcon, Cannonball, Sunspot, and Hyperion (read issue 4) become clear.

Captain America has been leading people for a very long time. He knows exactly what he is doing. He doesn't want anyone on that team like Havok or Rogue that aren't motivated to be there. I love Psylocke and there are a ton of characters that I would swap out for her in a heartbeat. But really, why the f would she care about the Avengers especially at this point in her life? Hopefully you understand the point I'm trying to get across.

Both of your Points are very good ones. You both get to the heart of the matter as to why some chosen to join a the Avengers. If the thread was called "why are some chosen for the Avengers and others not" would be a much better way of putting it. Your Answers are the logical and leveled ones that answer that very question.

This thread seem to indicated that Capt does not have respect for mutants and them as power muscle to get things done, but has little respect for them. As much as it seems that some want to say to avoid another AvX argument thread, this one goes right to that from when you first read it. It was in ways meant to be provocative, going event to the 2 choices you have in questions. Only answers like yours seem to bring the discussion back to where it should be, instead of where it has gone.

So Thank you both for that.

[albone]

As a fan of Havok, Rouge and Wanda, I'm happy they get any and all the time they can get. Throw in Polaris and I'd be thrilled.

This thread is beyond stupid.

[AcesX1X]

True, but they're joining a specific Avengers team that deals exclusively with mutant related issues. It's possible the would prefer being on that team to the "celebrity" team because of that. And they may not want to be in 2 Avenger teams like Logan does.

logan, steve, and thor. i hope this is addressed in the comics somewhere. it's not as if wanda or havok have lives outside of being super-heroes. do they just sit in the teevee room when the celebrity team goes out on missions? or does steve put them to work doing some other task?

rogue is joining back up with the x-men, so we can account for her free time. what is alex doing? is wanda on probation?