In Your Face Jam - Jan 30, 2013

[CBR News]

Brett White places his bets on the plot of Bryan Singer's upcoming "X-Men: Days of Future Past" film, explaining how his mind has changed regarding continuity.


Full article here.

[darknessatnoon]

Moira has access to deep-gene plastic surgery. Xavier probably uploaded all of his knowledge of biology into her CIA brain after he got her fired.

[semicyon]

One sign of a better future: a comic book/super-hero genre fan putting his love of the story and the world it occurs in over the dubious pleasures of obsessing over the details of continuity gaffes.

[Time_to_Zap]

One sign of a better future: a comic book/super-hero genre fan putting his love of the story and the world it occurs in over the dubious pleasures of obsessing over the details of continuity gaffes.

[Aenoth]

I wrote the same kind of article unless it is written in French. Here. I think there are many ways to erease the last stand. Like, back to the future, the butterfly effect etc. ...

It is possible that X-men 3 generates a large mutant hunt because of Bolivard Trask (remember the black bold guy beside the preident of U.S in X3 ?), but where is the starting point to all this? I think it is in the end of X-men 2.. Jean Grey need to be saved.

[ImperiusRex]

If the third X-Men film is to be ignored, this means that Jean Grey would have never "Phoenixed" back into the franchise; she would have remained dead from the events of X2. Therefore, Cyclops and Professor X would still be alive. Also, much of this apocalyptic future that unfolds wouldn't come to pass, as Magneto wouldn't be motivated by the death of Charles or the lust for Jean's new Phoenix power.

Like it or not, you need the third movie to set all the things you hypothesize about into motion. Undoing the third film would remove the Phoenix element, and undo the need for the X-Men to travel into the past to begin with...

[Black Manta]

Is it possible that they are going to go the James Bond route? Judi Dench is M for Pierce Bronson, but when Daniel Craig first gets his 00 standing, Judi Dench is M. And yet they never really explain all these different Bonds (maybe he's part Gallafrayan?).

[Omega Alpha]

Meh, they should have just gone for full reboot. I can't believe Fox allowed things to end in such a mess as they did in The Last Stand. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot for petty reasons.

And I've re-watched a couple of months ago, and, sorry, the first X-men film isn't good, really; it only looked great in comparison to the likes of Batman & Robin. X2 is pretty decent, though.

Is it possible that they are going to go the James Bond route? Judi Dench is M for Pierce Bronson, but when Daniel Craig first gets his 00 standing, Judi Dench is M. And yet they never really explain all these different Bonds (maybe he's part Gallafrayan?).

For Bond, there's the theory that this is only a code name, like M itself is, and is used by several agents over the years.

Granted, Skyfall pretty much kills this one.

[icemanjeff79]

I recently tweet my thoughts on this a few days before they announced that Anna Paquin and Ellen Page would return: All of the Fox X-Men films were absolute garbage. And I am a huge fan of the X-Men. But the movie series has got every single thing wrong. Except maybe Patrick Stewart.

If Fox or Bryan Singer anyone else really gave a damn about the X-Men trilogy, they would have done the three movies this way:

1st Movie: Original team, basically recreating the first ten issues of the first series, the X-Men v Magneto and the Brotherhood (with MAYBE the ONLY tweak being subbing Havok and Polaris for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, freeing the latter two up for the Avengers franchise). Classic yellow-and-black costumes throughout film, they earn their individual costumes at the end.
2nd movie: New team rescues the old team from the island, old team quits, Jean gets Phoenix powers and saves earth.
3rd movie: Hellfire Club and Dark Phoenix saga, Kitty joins in the last reel, series ends on optimistic note for the future, a la "X-Men" No. 138.
End of movie series. Wolverine spin-off to follow.

Let's face it: That's pretty much what we were all hoping for back in 1999, yes?

[Infestor]

Let's face it: That's pretty much what we were all hoping for back in 1999, yes?

I wasn't really into the X-Men at the time, but I suspect it wouldn't have been. I'm not exactly fond of the 05 era of the X-Men. I think skipping that and going straight for the integration of second generation members like Storm and Wolverine was the right call, no doubt.

[MarvelMaster616]

I feel it would have been so much easier to just make X-men First Class a complete reboot, but I guess that would have made too much sense. Now Singer wants to tie it into every one of the other movies when some key events directly contradict X3 and Wolverine Origins? There's being ambitious and there's just being foolish. I agree with the article. X3 killed the future potential of this franchise and Wolverine Origins proved that Wolverine cannot prop it up on his own. A reboot is the only way to go. It worked for Spider-Man, yet Fox and Singer refuse to admit they screwed up by letting Ratner kill the franchise. Days of Futures Past will only become hopelessly convoluted if it tries to tie into the other movies. Part of what made X-men First Class so great was that it essentially gave the middle finger to the continuity of the other movies and it should have. Now Singer is trying to make it work and I think he's only going to make things worse. I really don't have any faith in his ability to make the X-men movies viable again unless he flat out reboots it. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I'll only believe it when I see it.

[Alexjholt]

I recently tweet my thoughts on this a few days before they announced that Anna Paquin and Ellen Page would return: All of the Fox X-Men films were absolute garbage. And I am a huge fan of the X-Men. But the movie series has got every single thing wrong. Except maybe Patrick Stewart.

If Fox or Bryan Singer anyone else really gave a damn about the X-Men trilogy, they would have done the three movies this way:

1st Movie: Original team, basically recreating the first ten issues of the first series, the X-Men v Magneto and the Brotherhood (with MAYBE the ONLY tweak being subbing Havok and Polaris for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, freeing the latter two up for the Avengers franchise). Classic yellow-and-black costumes throughout film, they earn their individual costumes at the end.
2nd movie: New team rescues the old team from the island, old team quits, Jean gets Phoenix powers and saves earth.
3rd movie: Hellfire Club and Dark Phoenix saga, Kitty joins in the last reel, series ends on optimistic note for the future, a la "X-Men" No. 138.
End of movie series. Wolverine spin-off to follow.

Let's face it: That's pretty much what we were all hoping for back in 1999, yes?

Not really, honestly there is a reason the original 5 never took off in the same way that the franchise did after All New, much as there is nothing wrong with the characters, as a group they just don't have quite the same spark as later incarnations of the team - Iceman and Angel in particular just aren't high up on the list of characters which add interesting dynamics to the team.

What you'd probably want it a team of about 6 or 7, + Xavier, consisting of the "core 4" of Jean, Cyclops, Wolverine and Storm, plus 2 or 3 of the slightly less famous guys, I'd probably go with (adult) Rogue and Beast or Nightcrawler, and then have Kitty in the role of Rogue from the original film as the point of view character. The X-men don't really need an origin film as the concept is built into their ongoing setup. Imply there are other x-men out there, perhaps at a different base of operations or just out on a different mission right now so you don't have to do an origin for every single new X-man you want to add to the mix. Colossus, Gambit, Iceman, Angel and so on are all out there, they are just busy fighting someone else right now so only have cameos or mentions.

The outfits from First Class were definitly the best in melding reality with comics, so something along those lines.

First film about a reappearance of Magneto after a long enough absense to mean its a surprise to the other X-men while still being implied to be familiar once they realise who it is. Future films could deal with Sinister, Apocalypse, Sentinels and so on. Avoid actually doing a Dark Phoenix story like the plague, but give nods to it if you must. It is by far the most overused element of the X-men mythos in comics and other medium relative to the story milage it actually gives.

Pretty much all the best adaptations of X-men stuff work with the X-men already set up, and let them breath as characters, not as assorted origin stories.

[ASR]

I recently tweet my thoughts on this a few days before they announced that Anna Paquin and Ellen Page would return: All of the Fox X-Men films were absolute garbage. And I am a huge fan of the X-Men. But the movie series has got every single thing wrong. Except maybe Patrick Stewart.

If Fox or Bryan Singer anyone else really gave a damn about the X-Men trilogy, they would have done the three movies this way:

1st Movie: Original team, basically recreating the first ten issues of the first series, the X-Men v Magneto and the Brotherhood (with MAYBE the ONLY tweak being subbing Havok and Polaris for Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, freeing the latter two up for the Avengers franchise). Classic yellow-and-black costumes throughout film, they earn their individual costumes at the end.
2nd movie: New team rescues the old team from the island, old team quits, Jean gets Phoenix powers and saves earth.
3rd movie: Hellfire Club and Dark Phoenix saga, Kitty joins in the last reel, series ends on optimistic note for the future, a la "X-Men" No. 138.
End of movie series. Wolverine spin-off to follow.

Let's face it: That's pretty much what we were all hoping for back in 1999, yes?

I 100% agree with that trilogy outline. I have been hoping they would start at the beginning of the X-Men story the entire time. I get why they started with the cast they did in 1999 (They were all the most popular characters). But they need to take their cues from Batman Begins and Marvel's Avengers films and start from the beginning of those stories. There was a reason all those stories started there in the comics and ended up being so successful. I know it is highly unlikely this timeline happens, but it would be nice if it did.

[nosocialize100]

I 100% agree with that trilogy outline. I have been hoping they would start at the beginning of the X-Men story the entire time. I get why they started with the cast they did in 1999 (They were all the most popular characters). But they need to take their cues from Batman Begins and Marvel's Avengers films and start from the beginning of those stories. There was a reason all those stories started there in the comics and ended up being so successful. I know it is highly unlikely this timeline happens, but it would be nice if it did.

The problem is nobody wants to copy the comics too closely or else feel like it's not their baby. Creators like Singer want to leave their fingerprint on everything so following that outline just won't ever happen. Same with Avengers. It's not very close to any one story line.

[WeaponX7373]

One question for our directors. How are you going to make your other two movies made when the first one tanks? Not trying to be rude it's just the original 5 has failed to keep multiple comics afloat not to mention the original Uncanny X-men. And if X-men fans find the original 5 to be boring what hope do they have with a mainstream audience. And remember Cyclops isnt nearly as popular as our message bored would have you believe.