Annihus vs Ultron

[big_adventure]

Back in I think the 80s, Ultron was coming up with forcefields and such capable of completely negating Mjolnir's energy drain (as in, Thor could do nothing through the forcefield and had to spend quite some time pushing the hammerhead through the field, while Ultron was distracted to do an energy drain), so the Cosmic Control Rod absorbing all his juice straightaway is not a concern in a prep fight.

I wouldn't mind seeing that feat - I don't remember it.

[Siriel]

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Mods look at this reply, she did not even read the OP. Surly did not think about a reply.

Not reading the opening post is hardly a serious offense.

Reporting should be done through the report button, not by telling us in a thread.

Finally, do not triple post, edit the first.

2: A universe sized arena is INSANE! That is not how Rumbles works, they would spend forever just trying to find each other.

3: We use most powerful/competent stage characters by default. You did not say this version or that version. So by default, that guy was RIGHT.

4: Six months of prep, in a situation like this, is silly.

2. The arena can be whatever the OP says it is.
3. No, we don't. We use the current version.
4. Prep can be however long the OP says it is.

[Estrecca]

I wouldn't mind seeing that feat - I don't remember it.

Hmmm...

I think that what I recall is from Avengers 171, which would make it the late seventies, rather than the eighties. The plot summary includes mention of the Avengers being caught in a forcefield, however...

Ultron traps the Avengers in a force field, but delays their death in order to marry Jocasta, his bride. However, while Jocasta confesses her love, she turns on Ultron. Suddenly, Ms. Marvel returns to the battle with the Scarlet Witch. Her hex power disrupts Ultron's circuitry, and causes the molecular rearranger to malfunction, allowing Thor to siphon off his power and send it hurtling harmlessly into space!

... It would seem that I recalled the thing slightly wrong and it was the Scarlet Witch causing a crack in the adamantium armor what allowed Thor to do the energy drain. Which if anything would make things look better for Ultron.

[big_adventure]

It does indeed - I think I have the PDF of that issue at home on a NAS. I'll look at it tonight, if I can find it.

[Estrecca]

'Tis convenient.

Found a scan through google of the incident.



Yeah, Thor power-drained Ultron exploiting a crack in the armor and managed to do so, because the forcefield had gone down already. I'll say that there is a strong case for Ultron not needing to worry terribly much about power drain at the bell.

[big_adventure]

'Tis convenient.

Found a scan through google of the incident.

Yeah, Thor power-drained Ultron exploiting a crack in the armor and managed to do so, because the forcefield had gone down already. I'll say that there is a strong case for Ultron not needing to worry terribly much about power drain at the bell.

Agreed, in principle - my only question is if that wasn't SMvFL for Ultron, given some of the other ludicrous energy sources that Thor has drained, and given that Ultron has been beaten by Wonder Man (hint: he's no Thor) using him like a Shake Weight. I'm not saying it was, just that it might be. Opinions?

[Captain Morgan]

Agreed, in principle - my only question is if that wasn't SMvFL for Ultron, given some of the other ludicrous energy sources that Thor has drained, and given that Ultron has been beaten by Wonder Man (hint: he's no Thor) using him like a Shake Weight. I'm not saying it was, just that it might be. Opinions?

The problem with your assessment is that Ultron, as I understand it, tends to adapt to whatever was used to beat him already. Wonder Man shaking him, and Human Torch superheating him, both damaged his internal, non-adamantium components. He then upgraded to using 100% adamantium, which made his movement and functioning only possible through an internal molecular manipulator, as referenced in that very scan. But it also made him conventionally invulnerable.

When he is doing crazy shit like that, as well as building anti-phasing tech to counter vision, and even I believe later came up with counter-measures for the Scarlet Witch doing to him what she did here, AND he has had multiple encounters with Mjonir, AND later versions of Ultron took it to Thor just fine including frying the guy through his own hammer...

What I am saying is, I am pretty OK with Ultron making force fields to prevent Thor and Thor level people from draining his energy. It is consistent with his feats, presentation, and over all history of countering esoteric stuff.

[Estrecca]

and even I believe later came up with counter-measures for the Scarlet Witch doing to him what she did here

More exactly, Alkhema (female Ultron, essentially) developed an anti-hex forcefield which Ultron later improved upon.

It was not completely perfect (Wanda could still give him trouble by putting intense effort into it), but it was there and at the end of Ultron Unlimited actually caused the hex effect to benefit Ultron (instead of disrupting his systems, it improved them).

[big_adventure]

The problem with your assessment is that Ultron, as I understand it, tends to adapt to whatever was used to beat him already. Wonder Man shaking him, and Human Torch superheating him, both damaged his internal, non-adamantium components. He then upgraded to using 100% adamantium, which made his movement and functioning only possible through an internal molecular manipulator, as referenced in that very scan. But it also made him conventionally invulnerable.

In my defense, EVERYBODY adapts to what has beaten them before. Otherwise stories get stupid. Ultron isn't a Sentinel - he doesn't adapt in real time, but he obviously builds in tech to make him hard to beat again.

As stated, I was really asking the question to my fellows, rather than going hard core on the point. I'm OK with the resistance in general, though to be honest, Thor is typically played by a dolt in a Thor costume in Ultron fights - completely forgetting to, you know, just dump him in Mephisto's tech-free realm for one. To take that a step further, to make Avengers stories good, Thor is pretty much ALWAYS played by a dolt in a Thor costume. If not, it's Thor and his "I-really-don't-count" friends. Such is life in comics.

[Captain Morgan]

In my defense, EVERYBODY adapts to what has beaten them before. Otherwise stories get stupid. Ultron isn't a Sentinel - he doesn't adapt in real time, but he obviously builds in tech to make him hard to beat again.

As stated, I was really asking the question to my fellows, rather than going hard core on the point. I'm OK with the resistance in general, though to be honest, Thor is typically played by a dolt in a Thor costume in Ultron fights - completely forgetting to, you know, just dump him in Mephisto's tech-free realm for one. To take that a step further, to make Avengers stories good, Thor is pretty much ALWAYS played by a dolt in a Thor costume. If not, it's Thor and his "I-really-don't-count" friends. Such is life in comics.

Sorry, I didn't mean to seem like I was barking at you there.

Also, Thor not dimension dumping (which, as far as I can tell, is probably his only viable option) and what not isn't particularly exclusive for Ultron fights or even Avengers fights-- its pretty standard for Thor and in general. Honestly, for as often as Flash and Superman forget their speed, there is an instance of Thor, Green Lantern, or other similar characters forgetting their versatility. Thor at least has an in-story excuse he can fall back on-- warrior's pride, bordering on arrogance. He often CHOOSES to fight like a dolt in order to test his mettle.

[big_adventure]

Sorry, I didn't mean to seem like I was barking at you there.

Also, Thor not dimension dumping (which, as far as I can tell, is probably his only viable option) and what not isn't particularly exclusive for Ultron fights or even Avengers fights-- its pretty standard for Thor and in general. Honestly, for as often as Flash and Superman forget their speed, there is an instance of Thor, Green Lantern, or other similar characters forgetting their versatility. Thor at least has an in-story excuse he can fall back on-- warrior's pride, bordering on arrogance. He often CHOOSES to fight like a dolt in order to test his mettle.

All I can say is "Yup!" He's a big fan of the "Sets down gun and says 'I used to box at oxford'" school of combat. Which often leaves his opponents ready to throw down with "I used to kill people for the CIA." As long as K-k-k-ken doesn't come to k-k-k-kill them, it's giving up a major advantage to prolong the story.

What I would love is to see a 10 issue series of Thor remembering that he can dump all his rogues into alternate dimensions. I imagine Mephisto sitting there on his throne, despondent, with his chin in his hand, crying about what a mess his realm has become now that it's full of Frost Giants, Ultrons (there have been a lot of them), Kang, Malekith, Ulik, Juggernaut, Celestials, Rigelians, Ego, annoying reporters and god knows what else. Each issue is just "bad guy shows up, Thor insta-dumps to Mephisto's realm."

[Shellhead]

What I would love is to see a 10 issue series of Thor remembering that he can dump all his rogues into alternate dimensions. I imagine Mephisto sitting there on his throne, despondent, with his chin in his hand, crying about what a mess his realm has become now that it's full of Frost Giants, Ultrons (there have been a lot of them), Kang, Malekith, Ulik, Juggernaut, Celestials, Rigelians, Ego, annoying reporters and god knows what else. Each issue is just "bad guy shows up, Thor insta-dumps to Mephisto's realm."

Someday, you might enjoy reading the brief Doug Wheeler run on Swamp Thing. There was a big alien invasion in the DCU before that point, and a lot of aliens of a variety of species died while invading Earth. Most of them ended up in Earth's Hell, and Swamp Thing discovers this while on a rescue mission in Hell. Most fans were very disappointed with Wheeler because he wasn't as good a writer as Alan Moore or Rick Veitch, his two predecessors. But that's like complaining that somebody isn't as smart as Einstein.

[big_adventure]

But that's like complaining that somebody isn't as smart as Einstein.

I complain about that all the time. I'm all like: "Wife, Einstein wouldn't need me to fucking spell it out!"

She seems to miss the humor.

[Crawford]

Back in I think the 80s, Ultron was coming up with forcefields and such capable of completely negating Mjolnir's energy drain (as in, Thor could do nothing through the forcefield and had to spend quite some time pushing the hammerhead through the field, while Ultron was distracted to do an energy drain), so the Cosmic Control Rod absorbing all his juice straightaway is not a concern in a prep fight.

Really? What issue?

Edit: saw the subsequent post.