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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneNecromancer View Post
    Marvel Studios have been kicking around for what, over five years now? And they still haven't made a single female-solo superhero movie?
    And don't seem to be even planning one in the next couple of years either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Robo Ape View Post
    If you stopped a person on the street do you think WW would still be the first female superhero they would think of if asked to name one off the top of their head?

    If asked to name a male superhero I would bet nine times out of ten it would be Batman or Superman, but is this the case for WW with female superheroes?
    Which countries are you talking about? I don't think Wonder Woman would be at the top of the list in East Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabas View Post
    Not sure I'd call her a superhero.
    Some people already do because Catwoman is so popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    Neither of which are super heroes. If you asked someone to name a female hero, yeah... they might name Xena or Buffy or She-Ra or Lara Croft.
    That doesn't stop people from considering Batman to be a super hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boonciaver View Post
    That doesn't stop people from considering Batman to be a super hero.
    Having powers don't make you a superhero. Appearing in superhero stories does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boonciaver View Post
    That doesn't stop people from considering Batman to be a super hero.
    Last I heard, he was a founding member of the Justice League.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Mask View Post
    Which countries are you talking about? I don't think Wonder Woman would be at the top of the list in East Asia.
    That probably is the case, though I suspect she would still have some name recognition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dshipp17 View Post
    I agree; they probably blurt out Catwoman, Storm,
    Most likely.
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    This conversation has been done what, a million time?
    What's a superhero? For the general audiance it's a guy or girl with either superpowers or a flashy costume that comes from comicbooks, it's american, and is the protagonist a specific kind of story.
    Based on this, yes, Wonder Woman is the most well know female superhero in the world. Merchandise, T-Shirts, cartoons, a campy cult-series. It doesn't matter if they don't know her story, made of clay of daughter of zeus, the fact that she has a lasso or an invisible jet. They know "Wonder Woman, that superhero.

    Xena, Buffy, Lara Croft? People don't consider them superheroes. How can you do it?
    Storm? Outside of comics the X-Men are barely known as an entity. My guess the most famous would simply be Wolverine and Cyclops because of the look.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whirlwind Dinamo View Post
    Examples being Final Fantasy, Street Fighter, Zelda's link, Metal Gear's Snake, God of War's Kratos, Biohazard/ResidentEvil's Jill, Leon, Wesker, Metroid's Samus, Devil May Cry's Dante. Japan has strong Anime and strong manga like Dragonball, One Piece, Angel Beats, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Lelough of the Rebellion, Fullmetal Alchemist, Oh!Edo Rocket, Naruto, Pokemon, Ghost in the Shell....they are all very, very big sellers on amazon, yahoo-online, barnes and noble, ebay etc
    Not a single thing you just mentioned is superheroic stuff. The straight superheroes genre is mostly, almost entirely an american product. And not a single one of those is as well known as Wonder Woman as a figure to the general public.
    I know each character and series you just mentioned, but that is because I'm a freaking nerd. Any other person probably wouldn't.
    Just an example, Neon Genesis Evangelion? Three or four years I namedropped it during a school project revolving around the use of angels in fiction to my teacher, a fairly young one too. I had to explain her what was it. In another project, with the same teacher, I cited Batman and Wonder Woman and she istantly knew what I was talking about.

    It does depends on time and place of course. I'm sure that all those things in Japan are much more popular than Wonder Woman. But I'm also sure that in Japan they still know who she is/can recognize her if you put picture in front of them, while in america only straight up fans knows what Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece and Code Geass is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyssane View Post
    Yes.

    Who else would they possibly name?
    The only others most could name would be Distaff Counterparts of male heroes. This would include Batgirl, Supergirl, the She-Hulk, and so on. Other heroines that they might be familiar with who aren't Distaff Counterparts would be Storm and Black Widow, but they're mostly 'team' characters. Neither of them has really had any long-running solo titles, and has had to make do with being members of a team and having the occasional mini-series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabas View Post
    Who made that top 4, and did they make it before or after The Avengers made about 2 billions dollars?

    I would still argue characters like Lara Croft from the Tomb Raider movies and games would be ahead. Her games sell about 2 million,
    that's poor compared to her classic days but Wonder Woman can only appear as an extra in DC games. Lara Croft original Tomb Raider games selling over 8 million copies.
    Her boxoffice numbers combined domestic and world wide add to over $270,000,000 !!

    Quote Originally Posted by WhitOro View Post

    Xena, Buffy, Lara Croft? People don't consider them superheroes. How can you do it?
    Some people have a wider more open definition of superhero, Batman, the Crow, Green Arrow, V from Vendetta, Jonah Hex, Nick Fury Goku and Ironman might not have a red cape, or fly by magic but they still are considered superhero by some fans
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhitOro View Post
    This conversation has been done what, a million time?
    What's a superhero? For the general audiance it's a guy or girl with either superpowers or a flashy costume that comes from comicbooks, it's american, and is the protagonist a specific kind of story.
    Based on this, yes, Wonder Woman is the most well know female superhero in the world. Merchandise, T-Shirts, cartoons, a campy cult-series. It doesn't matter if they don't know her story, made of clay of daughter of zeus, the fact that she has a lasso or an invisible jet. They know "Wonder Woman, that superhero.

    Xena, Buffy, Lara Croft? People don't consider them superheroes. How can you do it?
    Storm? Outside of comics the X-Men are barely known as an entity. My guess the most famous would simply be Wolverine and Cyclops because of the look.



    Not a single thing you just mentioned is superheroic stuff. The straight superheroes genre is mostly, almost entirely an american product. And not a single one of those is as well known as Wonder Woman as a figure to the general public.
    I know each character and series you just mentioned, but that is because I'm a freaking nerd. Any other person probably wouldn't.
    Just an example, Neon Genesis Evangelion? Three or four years I namedropped it during a school project revolving around the use of angels in fiction to my teacher, a fairly young one too. I had to explain her what was it. In another project, with the same teacher, I cited Batman and Wonder Woman and she istantly knew what I was talking about.

    It does depends on time and place of course. I'm sure that all those things in Japan are much more popular than Wonder Woman. But I'm also sure that in Japan they still know who she is/can recognize her if you put picture in front of them, while in america only straight up fans knows what Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece and Code Geass is.
    Disagree. I think non-comics-readers are typically fine with regarding any sort of flashy action-heroes as superheroes, regardless of whether they wear costumes, have double identities, etc. It's principally the hardcore comics-readers who get hung up on the precise definition of superheroes.

    Lara for one appears on both the site SUPERHEROES LIVES and on Wikipedia's list of female superheroes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whirlwind Dinamo View Post
    Samus Aran (Metroid)‎, Motoko Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell) and Alice (R.E/Biohazard)
    are all female

    Marvel's Storm is also huge, she is part of a trilogy of Xmen films, cartoons and video games

    I'm betting most of the people you named would only be known within the gaming/cartoon watching community even in there country of origin.

    Storm much like Black Widow was a completely forgettable character in the film's she was in so your average Joe if reminded that they've actually seen the X-Men films would most likely not recall that character.

    Wonder Woman became well known in an era when there was far less competition in term's of entertainment to compete with and you can't compete with nostalgia. Her very name is often used to describe an exceptional woman and her costume is easily one of the most worn of any female hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhitOro View Post
    Not a single thing you just mentioned is superheroic stuff. The straight superheroes genre is mostly, almost entirely an american product. And not a single one of those is as well known as Wonder Woman as a figure to the general public.
    I know each character and series you just mentioned, but that is because I'm a freaking nerd. Any other person probably wouldn't.
    Just an example, Neon Genesis Evangelion? Three or four years I namedropped it during a school project revolving around the use of angels in fiction to my teacher, a fairly young one too. I had to explain her what was it. In another project, with the same teacher, I cited Batman and Wonder Woman and she istantly knew what I was talking about.

    It does depends on time and place of course. I'm sure that all those things in Japan are much more popular than Wonder Woman. But I'm also sure that in Japan they still know who she is/can recognize her if you put picture in front of them, while in america only straight up fans knows what Fullmetal Alchemist, One Piece and Code Geass is.
    Yeah, I think Dragon Ball is at least at Wonder Woman's level of recognition. In Japan, it's considered one of the biggest classics of all time (and has Superman like levels of recognition) and, be it in good or bad, everyone has heard of it in Europe too (at least western Europe). Not to mention it's pretty big in the US as well. Hell, my mom knows what Dragon Ball is, and I'm not quite sure I could say the same for Wonder Woman.And has far as merchandising goes, it's much much much much bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaelforce View Post
    Here's why I think it's still Wonder Woman.

    TV show Bones - who does Bones dress up as for Halloween? Wonder Woman.
    TV show Big Bang Theory - who does Penny dress up as for a costume contest? Wonder Woman.
    Who got their own line of cosmetics a year or two ago? Wonder Woman.
    Who was all over the newspapers when she put *pants* on? Wonder Woman.

    This is just off the top of my head - this is mainstream media. I don't recall seeing any of the characters listed elsewhere outside of Catwoman being used in such a fashion. Maybe I'm missing it? I don't know.
    I remember when she cut her hair it was all over the news but never seen any other heroine get that attention so yeah outside of comics readers its still Wonder Woman no other female hero comes close.

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