Superman is suffering.

[flottanna]

Superman is my favorite character and he always has been. But at the moment I feel that both Superman titles are pretty poor at best, It just doesn't feel or look like superman. I really wish my favorite Sup team would get back together. Geoff Johns and Gary Frank.

[Mr. Holmes]

Johns and Frank's Superman was a nostalgia-fest to the Donner films. It's way past time they brought Superman to the 21st century, even if they had to do it with kicking and screaming.

[Lexrules]

Johns and Frank's Superman was a nostalgia-fest to the Donner films. It's way past time they brought Superman to the 21st century, even if they had to do it with kicking and screaming.

But is was a damn good nostalgia fest Holmes. One of my favorite times in my long history of reading Superman.

I need to add they really didn't do anything new with Superman for the 21st century. The only real major change was to the costume. What you see now is a hybrid of Golden and Silver Age mix together for the most part. Nothing new or groundbreaking has really happened.

[flottanna]

I don't know what they are doing. But it just doesn't feel right. And it was some damn good nostalgia. They both really know how to do superman. Gary Frank draws Sups like no other artist.

[Auguste Dupin]

I don't know what they are doing. But it just doesn't feel right. And it was some damn good nostalgia. They both really know how to do superman. Gary Frank draws Sups like no other artist.

Well, y'know, that's, like, your opinion, man.
As far as I'm concerned, the last thing Superman needs is to go back to the Geoff Johns era. That didn't felt right.

[Invincible-Spawn]

Wasn't that much of a fan of Gary Frank's art tbh.

[Auguste Dupin]

Wasn't that much of a fan of Gary Frank's art tbh.

Yeah, sometimes, his Superman was a bit creepy.

[flottanna]

IDK some people didn't like it. I just thought it felt right. A lot of other great team have been on superman but I think they were the best team in the past couple years.

[MajorHoy]

I don't know what they are doing. But it just doesn't feel right. And it was some damn good nostalgia. They both really know how to do superman. Gary Frank draws Sups like no other artist.

Some may also question if DC knows what it's doing.

(But is Matt Idelson finally removed from editing the Super-books?)

[S_Rhoades]

I've thought for a long time that sinc the deadline was drawing near to the possibility of DC losing the rights to Supes that they haven't had a legit team behind him. For the past 2 to 3 years he has taken a backseat to the rest of the DCU/DCNU, I personally think it's bc they didn't want him to shine as the beacon for the DCU and then lose him to anyone. Now that they've won their case though, I believe we'll see Supes in a leadership role in the DCU again.

[An Ear In The Fireplace]

Virtually everything DC publishes these days is recycled from what they published in the past. Anything could be described as nostalgic if you want to put that spin on it. Heck the new Earth 2 is nostalgic, in that it exploits the name "Earth 2" and the names of all the Golden Age characters--you could even say it's nostalgic for the Silver Age when Golden Age concepts were revamped with a modern spin.

What was the last new character or concept that DC published that didn't owe something to the past?

Really we're just comparing different variations on nostalgia and recycled ideas. Not that there's anything wrong with that. With characters like Superman and Batman, they are the sum total of all the great things that were done with them in the past. It would be a mistake not to acknowledge the great work that other artists and writers have done and to exploit that now. But it's sad that DC is no longer the great company that was constantly publishing new things--most people have forgotten that that company ever existed, because it was so long ago.

[Auguste Dupin]

IDK some people didn't like it. I just thought it felt right. A lot of other great team have been on superman but I think they were the best team in the past couple years.

If anything, Kurt Busiek's was more interesting. Geof Johns was sort of all right, but it was nothing special. The Brainiac arc, for instance, is really what a synthesis of this run in his good and bad aspects. As always, he takes the Silver Age early incarnation (which, too bad, was the least interesting concerning Brainiac), give it steroides because he can't write a good threat without it physically punching the hero (despite Brainiac not being about punching Superman at all), amps it up with his "you never fought Brainiac before, ho my god, he is so horrible". And in the end, it was sort of epic, but not much more, ended up being a punching contest (with Brainiac of all people) and it didn't felt like this Brainiac was so incredibly more threatening despite Johns constantly trying to make us feel so. Ho, and he killed Pa Kent in the cheapest way he could think of just to have some angst in it.

[Nocturnus]

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

[kylesgirl]

Superman was boring and vanilla and stuck in a time warp. No freaking way I want to read that retro stuff now. Go buy those books and read them ...that is what they are there for. D'ont regurgitate the same thing over and over. It was not working and certainly was not selling.

[MajorHoy]

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The irony being . . . how old is that?