How would marvel have went if you replaced Steve Rogers with Richard Rider?

**jackolover** · 01-27-2013, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by PupsOfWar

I'm not saying Nova is insignificant. I'm saying that, even at his recent peak, he doesn't command nearly the same sort of goodwill and deference that Captain America does among the Earth's other heroes and peoples. Which were the parameters under discussion in this thread.

You're not just saying Nova is significant: You're saying he's some sort of Intergalactic overlord who wields universal jurisdiction and the power to enforce it. Which is not the case.

What the Avengers think matters because we're trying to figure out whether Nova could lead the Avengers and be America's First Hero. Filling Cap's shoes, as it were.
Last time I checked, Leadership sorta requires either the consent of those who are to be led or the power to enforce their obedience anyways.
Neither of which Nova would receive.

It was the case, by the way. If Nova wanted to ignore Tony Stark and his forces in Nova #2 and 3 (during Civil War), he could have swept over the whole of the SHRA there and then and been the director of what comes after. I guarantee you Captain America would have been his best buddy, as well as all the Anti-regs.

**PupsOfWar** · 01-28-2013, 09:18 AM

I think we may just have radically different conceptions of how Superheroes and Superhero settings work.

**Monty_Cristo** · 01-28-2013, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Juggernaut Punch

There would be peace on Earth and all the super-villains would have their hearts torn out through their chests while Thanos gropes Death and watches.

Annihilus got better. Rich was replaced by some brat from a cartoon.

**celticguy** · 01-28-2013, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by jackolover

It was the case, by the way. If Nova wanted to ignore Tony Stark and his forces in Nova #2 and 3 (during Civil War), he could have swept over the whole of the SHRA there and then and been the director of what comes after. I guarantee you Captain America would have been his best buddy, as well as all the Anti-regs.

That would not occur If he went against the SHRA he could have helped the ant reg side but beating up Tony's side does not get you appointed to take his place. That was the problem with CW there was no way to punch the law away.

**jackolover** · 01-28-2013, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by celticguy

That would not occur If he went against the SHRA he could have helped the ant reg side but beating up Tony's side does not get you appointed to take his place. That was the problem with CW there was no way to punch the law away.

Hypothetically speaking, no you can't punch the law away. What Nova could do is walk all over the authority in the USA and just say "screw the law, and anybody who makes it. No more Capekillers in the air and no more arrests of super heroes. That's my law".

**celticguy** · 01-30-2013, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by jackolover

Hypothetically speaking, no you can't punch the law away. What Nova could do is walk all over the authority in the USA and just say "screw the law, and anybody who makes it. No more Capekillers in the air and no more arrests of super heroes. That's my law".

Sounds like he is replacing Doom not Cap in your story.