The Invisibles

[Chou Blaster]

Invisibles is a vehicle for Morrison's, I want to say religion(?) but that term comes with preconceptions. I enjoyed it regardless when I read it when I didn't know so much, slowly making my way through it again now.

I would not say religion. More like Philosophy. In that if you believe in something enough or think about it, it IS reality, to a degree.

Like in Animal Man, Grant shows up, and tells Animal man he is a comic book character, but considers him "real" cause his adventures are in print, and therefore, exists in one shape or form.

He and Alan Moore are "magic users." Grant goes as far to write down spells in his work (Like Invisibles) "Just to spice things up."

With Alan, he believes magic is not so much a belief system, but a matter of effort and standard. For magic in the basic form was called "The Art."

So anything, can be magic, with effort effort, and talent.

Edit: BTW, Grant, Mark Millar, and Warren Ellis all come from Scotland, Alan, came from a really, really backwoods English town that was pretty close to Scotland. Kinda ironic they have such a huge impact because for them America was a big impact on them.

King Mob in Invisibles is supposed to be the Author Avatar of Grant himself. (He is a bald white guy.)

And I thought of a better way to describe Grant's "Chaos Magic" thing.

It is like the Matrix sorta. In in that reality has "code." In Chaos magic, you use your will power, beliefs and traditions to mold, break, or alter said code, to make magic happen.

Alan Moore's best work of magic is Promethea. I highly recommend that, and i love the Invisibles btw.

[carabas]

Edit: BTW, Grant, Mark Millar, and Warren Ellis all come from Scotland, Alan, came from a really, really backwoods English town that was pretty close to Scotland.

Northampton is nowhere near Scotland, and Ellis (not sure what he's doing here) is from about as far from Scotland as you can get in the UK.

[Mr. Holmes]

I would not say religion. More like Philosophy. In that if you believe in something enough or think about it, it IS reality, to a degree.

Like in Animal Man, Grant shows up, and tells Animal man he is a comic book character, but considers him "real" cause his adventures are in print, and therefore, exists in one shape or form.

He and Alan Moore are "magic users." Grant goes as far to write down spells in his work (Like Invisibles) "Just to spice things up."

With Alan, he believes magic is not so much a belief system, but a matter of effort and standard. For magic in the basic form was called "The Art."

So anything, can be magic, with effort effort, and talent.

Edit: BTW, Grant, Mark Millar, and Warren Ellis all come from Scotland, Alan, came from a really, really backwoods English town that was pretty close to Scotland. Kinda ironic they have such a huge impact because for them America was a big impact on them.

King Mob in Invisibles is supposed to be the Author Avatar of Grant himself. (He is a bald white guy.)

And I thought of a better way to describe Grant's "Chaos Magic" thing.

It is like the Matrix sorta. In in that reality has "code." In Chaos magic, you use your will power, beliefs and traditions to mold, break, or alter said code, to make magic happen.

Alan Moore's best work of magic is Promethea. I highly recommend that, and i love the Invisibles btw.

Well said, man. I love Moore and Morrison's ideas of magic, that they're the ideas floating around that profoundly affect how people think and act. At least on Morrison's side, a lot of it is based on Jung psychology - synchronicity and how ideas can affect people without them even consciously knowing.

[Chou Blaster]

Thank you for schooling me carabas. :D

And yeah, just glad I got the magic thing right. *Wishes he had money to buy Prometha trades, read all the Invisibles already.*

[Rotm]

I would not say religion. More like Philosophy. In that if you believe in something enough or think about it, it IS reality, to a degree.

I've always had problems finding a word for it, spiritual technology perhaps.

[Paladin King]

I actually just started reading the Invisibles today. Literally just cracked open Vol. 1 and read the first half of it or so. It's certainly very interesting stuff and I'm not as confused as I thought I'd be. I'd also heard that the first three trades were "slower," but I've not been finding that to be the case at all.

I'm enjoying it and I'm kind of dazed that it's taken me this many years to get around to reading it. One thing I've enjoyed was how, given the knowledge of Grant Morrison's personal life and beliefs that I've accrued over the years, it's really fun seeing that play into the Invisibles. I definitely see what he means by it being his most "personal" work. Already, I've seen him reference the "Kathmandu Experience" of his that inspired the Invisibles as well as the summoning of John Lennon, which he himself claims to have done. Very interesting.

[EGADCOMICS]

God I have to finish this. I purchased volume 1 in 2000 and got sidetracked ever since, lol. I forgot all about it until a couple weeks ago while digging through some old storage. Good artwork and great story.

[T Hedge Coke]

I had kinda successfully shed off replaying the comic constantly, and then I went and wrote that article for the date there, and the little/big apocalypse, and: back in the damn slipstream. I want to keep popping back into it, sail out a storyline or a couple issues. Fanny. Helga. San Francisco. Now.

[smomo8]

What do I have to do to fully understand and appreciate this series ? I'm just getting into it (read the first trade) and damn,it's pretty confusing and not what I'm used to.

[T Hedge Coke]

There are a few books on it (Our Sentence is Up! is good and has a great interview with Morrison that's the second half of the book) and the online The Bomb annotations are pretty good.

But on the whole, just read it once for the story, the characters, the pop happening, and then another time to really think things through. You probably get more than you think. Just trust and enjoy.

(Of course, you can ask people questions, here, too, and probably get answers. The Invisibles is one of those comics that readers like to talk about still and at the drop of a hat.)

[Invisible Man]

In answer to the OP - yes, everyone should read The Invisibles as it is quite possibly the most important graphic novel of the 90's.

We discussed The Invisibles on this week's episode of MVP Mutant Radio. Check it out.

http://mutantville.com/blog/grant-mo...p-mutant-radio

[maxpower00044]

I've just picked up the first two trades. I look forward to starting this story out.

[T Hedge Coke]

I've just picked up the first two trades. I look forward to starting this story out.

Post your thoughts? I'd be curious to see how it works for someone in 2013.

[Concept Coop]

I've never thought any of Morrison's work needed to be "worked up to". I love the Invisibles and didn't really find it too hard to follow. It's such a huge book that there are going to be parts here and there that you miss and might need to go back to, but most interesting books are that way, in my opinion.

Buy it. If you don't like it, you can sell it and only lose $20 or so.

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