Black Panther's future?

[jabu46]

Not in the forth panel. That looks more like a straight punch through.

I looked at it on my ipad magnified and its hard to tell if his claws assisted ripping through or not, even though it was a straight ahead running thrust. You dont see a closed fist. A peak human could still do that though, especially if assisted by tech. Again, Shang-Chi, who is not superhuman or enhanced, has punched through cybernetic or armored foes.

Im all for T'challa being enhanced, or even superhuman, it makes sense. I just dont think what we've seen so far constitutes that, and can be explained by his tech. Other examples in his past showings have shown it, but have been inconsistent. Going forward, I hope its shown consistently, and more inarguable, definite examples, are shown.

[jabu46]

Some of you guys just won't be happy until this thread gets derailed into the usual rubbish that got the BP discussion Namor'd.

Can we please focus on the Black Panther's future and stop rehashing the cotdamnedpast!

This is not true.

What got the BP discussion thread "Namor'd" was some insults to a particular writer and references to a particular female character seen as degrading.

This was pointed out in the moderator's PM to all posters after the fact.

Discussing, or debating, a character's abilties, or what to expect going forward, hardly counts for derailing a thread, and would only get it "Namor'd" if people get frustrated, lose their cool, and start getting aggressive or insulting.

But dude, im sure you can post another topic at any time.

[timeismoney]

I think having BP in just New Avengers works, for right now this give Hickman time to build the character back up. And if he keep on the route we have seen since FF 607, until now he can do it and we can finally get an on going worthy of the BP. Rather then something half ass, and having BP relationship over allow the focus back where it belong. And that is on him, even Hickman like all of us BP fans has wondered why the guy was not one Marvel top characters already.

So as it look right now till it don't, the future for the BP look better then it has in a while. Will BP find the perfect Queen someday, sure but right now it is all about the BP.

[RatFace]

Hickman is doing things with T'Challa in New Avengers that resonate strongly with the character. He's doing it in his own way and so far, hasn't put a foot wrong yet.

Unlike Liss, he's a long time architect writing for Marvel with SHIELD, SECRET WARRIORS & the FF under his belt so it's pretty fair to say that he knows how to spin a good yarn or two.

This thread is about the Black Panther's future which in the hands of Hickman, would seem to be a good thing.

It's not about the X-books, (no matter how much a few would seem to want it to be) it ain't about no Monica Rambeau or Weather Witch neither.

It's all about T'Challa, King of the Dead and the future of Wakanda.

Can we talk about this instead please and leave all this peak human talk in the past where it belongs.

Thank you.

I agree with this post 100%

[RatFace]

Double post

[jabu46]

I think having BP in just New Avengers works, for right now this give Hickman time to build the character back up. And if he keep on the route we have seen since FF 607, until now he can do it and we can finally get an on going worthy of the BP. Rather then something half ass, and having BP relationship over allow the focus to back where it belong. And that is on him. even Hickman like all of us BP fans wonder why the guy was not one Marvel top characters already.

So as it look right now till it don't, the future for the BP look better then it has in a while. Will BP find the perfect Queen someday, sure but right now it is all about the BP.

Totally co-sign on this! NA is a group Panther was made to be in, though I understand his past and present reservations about it, which makes for great conflict. I also agree that the focus really needs to be on him, and this is the only book he should be in for now... and re-defining him going forward with his new status and abilities...a woman in his life can wait for much later he's got too much stuff to do.

I think Hickman is off to a great start and has his voice down-packed...hopefully if a solo happens he, or someone of similar mind, will write it.

[Victor Freeman]

If Hickman say he is superhuman, then he is superhuman what is there to debate.

When you show me a peak human ripping dudes apart, then you may have a point.

Just except that Black Panther is even more, of a badass mofo then before.

This^^^^ and I agree with Kid K as well. The thing is its only been two issues--with T'challa having action is one. Expecting to see his full potential is unreasonable and obsessing over him not being something the writer has confirmed is also unreasonable.

Where some are using battle board logic-- Hickmen provided his commentary on that scene that HE WROTE and T'challa King of the Dead status is directly linked to the huge threat he is about to face according to him. He ripped the guy apart--that wasn't technology no matter how much some want to spin it.

[Onyenkwere]

This is not true.

What got the BP discussion thread "Namor'd" was some insults to a particular writer and references to a particular female character seen as degrading.

This was pointed out in the moderator's PM to all posters after the fact.

Discussing, or debating, a character's abilties, or what to expect going forward, hardly counts for derailing a thread, and would only get it "Namor'd" if people get frustrated, lose their cool, and start getting aggressive or insulting.

But dude, im sure you can post another topic at any time.

What got the BP discussion thread locked was one rogue poster going postal in a completely unrelated thread. It probably didn't help that some people just couldn't well enough alone and focus on T'Challa's future in Hickman's hands.

They had to get caught up in the soap opera intrigues of a completely unrelated writers desire to include the Black Panther in a story he did not need to be in.

From the beginning, this thread was started to talk about T'Challa moving forward.

You have been the one poster who has been going on repeatedly about matters that a lot of us have opted to forget about and move on from.

The rest of us were already talking about the new topic before you came along and decided to stay stuck in the "peak human I won't believe Black Panther is Superhuman even when Hickman tells me so" groove.

I'm more invested in talking about T'Challa and Wakanda's future in the face of the Black Swan threat and what may eventually happen when Queen Shuri, the other Black Panther, finds out that Namor is on Wakandan soil at the reluctant request of her elder sibling.

That would constitute as talking about the Black Panther's future.

[jabu46]

This^^^^ and I agree with Kid K as well. The thing is its only been two issues--with T'challa having action is one. Expecting to see his full potential is unreasonable and obsessing over him not being something the writer has confirmed is also unreasonable.

Where some are using battle board logic-- Hickmen provided his commentary on that scene that HE WROTE and T'challa King of the Dead status is directly linked to the huge threat he is about to face according to him. He ripped the guy apart--that wasn't technology no matter how much some want to spin it.

"Sigh"...lets just move on after this last post,...who cares at this point what level he is?

No one is using battle boards logic, least not me since Ive never played.

Very skilled, or peak human characters, have punched through things like that before. A forward thrust, as Kid K. pointed out, is a punch. It's not ripping through something.

Its questionable when a writer says a character is ripping something apart with his bare hands when he's obviously using claws in the pic.

Great as he is, even Hickman makes mistakes and may not recall everything his artist drew.

And Vic, you and others on here have said Panther was using tech in those scenes. So not sure how you can say anyone is "spinning" something when you yourself admitted that tech was being used.

I hope to see T'Challa in his full on and enhanced or super-human King of the Dead status soon and how it is linked to the oncoming threat.

Now, how about those New Avengers?

[jabu46]

What got the BP discussion thread locked was one rogue poster going postal in a completely unrelated thread. It probably didn't help that some people just couldn't well enough alone and focus on T'Challa's future in Hickman's hands.

They had to get caught up in the soap opera intrigues of a completely unrelated writers desire to include the Black Panther in a story he did not need to be in.

From the beginning, this thread was started to talk about T'Challa moving forward.

You have been the one poster who has been going on repeatedly about matters that a lot of us have opted to forget about and move on from.

The rest of us were already talking about the new topic before you came along and decided to stay stuck in the "peak human I won't believe Black Panther is Superhuman even when Hickman tells me so" groove.

I'm more invested in talking about T'Challa and Wakanda's future in the face of the Black Swan threat and what may eventually happen when Queen Shuri, the other Black Panther, finds out that Namor is on Wakandan soil at the reluctant request of her elder sibling.

That would constitute as talking about the Black Panther's future.

No, Onyenkwere, I received a message, from the moderator who locked the thread, as Im sure others did. He explained in his message exactly why the thread was locked and he listed exactly what I stated. I can show it to you if you'd like. He didnt say anything about a rogue poster over in the X-boards complaining, though there were a couple, two who got banned, unfortunately.

And though I have been the one mostly discussing and debating the topic about peak human vs superhuman in a polite manner, a few others have questioned it, including Xpac and StormXPantherQueen before, and as a poster, all can reserve the right to question and or debate a topic. YOU can post another topic and engage in something else, which is why multiple topics happen in a thread.

But talking about his abilities IS talking about his present, and future. Dont be so literal minded. As black people like to say, how can you look at the future when you dont know youre past?

The truth is, though youre a cool guy, you and some others simply like to control whats being posted out of some kind of entitlement, and honestly get frustrated when you cant.

That's honest, and something that's been brought up before. And not really cool.

So in the end, talk about whatever you want, and let others talk about whatever they want. You can read and reply to what you choose, and start your own conversation.

Its a free country. And message board...mostly.

Now...how about those New Avengers?

[Onyenkwere]

"Sigh"...lets just move on after this last post,...who cares at this point what level he is?

No one is using battle boards logic, least not me since Ive never played.

Very skilled, or peak human characters, have punched through things like that before. A forward thrust, as Kid K. pointed out, is a punch. It's not ripping through something.

Its questionable when a writer says a character is ripping something apart with his bare hands when he's obviously using claws in the pic.

Great as he is, even Hickman makes mistakes and may not recall everything his artist drew.

And Vic, you and others on here have said Panther was using tech in those scenes. So not sure how you can say anyone is "spinning" something when you yourself admitted that tech was being used.

I hope to see T'Challa in his full on and enhanced or super-human King of the Dead status soon and how it is linked to the oncoming threat.

Now, how about those New Avengers?

There are a couple of threads dedicated to discussing the New Avengers over on the Avengers forum.

[marvell2100]

I think after a pretty good run in NA( a little over a year) things should be built up pretty good for a BP solo. I think Hickman could use alot of dangling plots in his NA run to carry over into a BP solo. And I really hopes he keeps the same tone for BP he used in his FF two-parter and what he's currently doing in NA. I love seeing BP get a Sci-Fi feel to him. And this would be the perfect opportunity for T'Challa to begin his search for the origin of Vibranium.

[jabu46]

There are a couple of threads dedicated to discussing the New Avengers over on the Avengers forum.

Yet we've been discussing Panther in the New Avengers book, which he's currently in and only appearing in.

Which is, of course, what I meant. As you know...

[jabu46]

I think after a pretty good run in NA( a little over a year) things should be built up pretty good for a BP solo. I think Hickman could use alot of dangling plots in his NA run to carry over into a BP solo. And I really hopes he keeps the same tone for BP he used in his FF two-parter and what he's currently doing in NA. I love seeing BP get a Sci-Fi feel to him. And this would be the perfect opportunity for T'Challa to begin his search for the origin of Vibranium.

Hopefully Hickman can stir up enough interest with BP in New Avengers that he can carry what ever plots he builds over into a solo book. And I agree he should keep the same tone for the character. And a search for the vibranium in space, seeing where it comes from, would be a good sci-fi epic for him. Maybe he can team up with the guardians or something...BP should totally keep a sci-fi feel.

[timeismoney]

When Shuri learn what T'Challa has done, by letting Namor in Wakanda it is going to be ugly.

Also I wonder how does Black Swan, saying she is a Black Swan fit into the story.

Is it a title pass down like the title of Black Panther, maybe she some alternate earth version of the Black Panther. Where on her earth they were call Black Swans rather the Black Panthers. Just my opinion.