'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."
Side track: I had a roommate once who played. He flunked out of school TWICE because of it. Also, our internet was out for a couple of hours one time, and he freaked. Called his friend and they moved his desktop to said friends place so he could continue playing. I didn't see him for two days.
But the books do play up his alien side just in a human way. We get more and more knowledge of his kryptonian parents than we do his earth ones nearly every issue of a book. The devil imp is mad at Superman AND his birth father Jor-el for doing the impossible and harming him, the whole 0 was about his parents, he didn't hesitate at all to "kill" Clark one afternoon, he then started living in space, and the arc in the books right now is about nothing but krypton.
Also the fact that we have focused on more his birth parents for where he gets more than a few of his character traits. When's the last time in the books you've really heard anything important about Mr and Mrs Kent? It's been all birth parents most of the time. Even Helspont commented on Jor-el.
But one thing you seem to be forgetting is that in the new 52 his birth parents are far more "human" than they've ever been. Lara is now a strong willed formidable woman with a quick temper and truble making attitude. Jor-el is Mr never say did "there's always a way" (a phrase that Superman now uses). Superman takes after both of them than what we've seen of the Kent's. It could also be argued that one of the main reasons he became a reporter was because of his scientific nature to observe and study.
He gets his strong willed battle ready hot tempered attitude from his mother and his never say die "there's always a way" mind set from his father. His earth parents just gave him an outlet to use all of this. Mainly Mr. Kent and his ideas on fair play and fighting for the little guy.
But everything else including his great mind come from his alien side. So yes his alien side is being shown quite a bit.....it's just more "human" and relatable now.
Yes, the current arc is all about Krypton. Though his upbringing in Smallville and the Kents influence on him is always there. It's more subtle, as you aren't being shown Kansas and The Kents all the time. Though really, what made Clark go to Metropolis to fight crime and corruption? The lessons the Kents taught him. Who taught him to respect life and do what's right? The Kents. And so on. Sure, he has personality traits from his parents and his powers come from his genetics. His heroics still seem to come from the Kents though. With Superman it doesn't seem to be nature vs nurture, it seems to be nature and nurture. Kind of interesting really. The Kents have made many huge appearances in the comics as of yet, but Superman mentions them all the time. As seen in my previous comment about how Superman sees the world through the Kents eyes, his own words.
Clark wasn't so quick to cast off his identity in Action. He was still developing his powers and couldn't save lives in any other way than he did. So when faced with the decision of saving a life or protecting his identity, he did the right thing and saved lives. Though when he saw how people really cared about him and how much he meant to people as Clark (even to Batman), he was willing to use an Imp's wish to get it all back. Loosing his identity as Clark didn't make him realize that being human or being Clark was unimportant. It was just the opposite. When he had to live in a new identity as a firefighter, he came to realize just how important being Clark is. Not only to his friends and family, but to himself.
I would think that if Clark became a reporter just to observe and study humans, he wouldn't care about social issues or social justice. So far, we've seen Clarks journalism used pretty much exclusively to foster social change. He really wants to help people and can change the system from within by exposing it's flaws and getting people to act. That's what Clark has been all about since Action 1. If he were going to just study and observe, he's be doing all kinds of stories and not getting involved in any of them. To approach a culture from a scientific standpoint, like with anthropology or sociology, you must always observe and record, but never interfere. Clark has done nothing but interfere. So much so that his landlord notices that someone always seems to beat the tar out of him for his stories. That's not really scientific observation, that's social action. You don't take action for something unless you really care about it. Clark has always been passionate about his journalism. He gets fired up and demands to expose the truth. That's why he loves Lois' writing. She's fearless in pursuing the truth. If he were just approaching journalism as a scientific observation, he wouldn't quit his job over his principles or get directly involved with his stories. He'd play along, have no opinions, and just record what he sees.
I do really like that Jor-el and Lara are being treated as actual characters now. In Superman's long history, they never really seemed to talk about his birth parents beyond the last days of Krypton or putting Kal into a ship. I hope we see more of them. To pose another question, if you make Jor-el and Lara more human and relatable, aren't you making Superman more human too?
And in issue eight call it "formal wear". The "dress" part was referring to All-Star Superman. From Morrison himself:Also in issue seven of Action comics Grant call it "indestructible armor" not "dress" or anything like that.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/1008...Superman8.html"Showing Krypton and Kryptonians was also important as a way of stressing why Superman wears that costume and why it makes absolute sense that he looks the way he does. I don’t see the red and blue suit as a flag or as rewoven baby blankets. There’s no need for Superman to dress the way he does but it made sense to think of his outfit as his ‘national costume‘.
The way I see it, the standard superhero outfit, the familiar Superman suit with the pants on the outside, is what everyone wore on Krypton, give or take a few fashion accessories like hoods and headbands, chest crests and variant colors."
What I was trying to point out is that this idea was, IMO, poorly developed by the artists, but probably in the near future it will be better managed (already Rocafort, as you point out, is on the right track).
Yes I completely agree I really do enjoy talking with you about this. I also very much agree with the 1st half of your post I don't see it as nature vs nurture it's very much nature and nurture that makes up Superman. But you may have missed some of my points or I wasn't clear on them (I was on my iPhone at the time)
I'm not saying that his reporter life was just due to his alien mind or tendencies. I'm saying that it could be argued that that was a part of it. Grant Morrison even says something to this effect in All star Superman #9 where Superman meets his Kryptonian relatives and the mock him for being a "scientist son". At the end of the book Grant flips this and Superman says that it's in his nature to look and observe as a scientist. Grant also says that Superman would have more than likely been a great scientist on krypton if it had not passed.
Now this relates to the new 52 because in JL during the Graves arc the team is distrustful of Superman (Hal in particular). Hal says that Superman hardly talks and he mainly sits in the back floating just watching everyone. Cyborg chimes in and says that it's in his nature as a reporter to do so. I then take this a step further given all that we know about his parents and such and I come up with the idea that reporting is very much suited to him in part because of his scientist nature which comes from krypton. By nature he favors the pen over the sword as he says in Action comics #3 to detective Blake. I don't see his alien half as the soul reason for his interest in reporting but I do think it is at it's core. What the Kents showed him is what gave direction to who he is which is just as important.
If I'm not mistaken the big reason that Superman gave up Clark was because he felt that Clark had over stayed his welcome and was becoming more of a hazard to himself and the people around him. One of the things that Grant said Superman enjoyed most about his life was that nobody could get to him through anyone because didn't really have anyone too close to him. So when he began making friends and his identity was reviled about 3 time (Batman, Mrs. N, and Nimrod) he sees no more point to Clark now that his days as Superman are growing longer (his words not mine...sorta). He then makes Johnny Clark and as Johnny Clark he is nothing but an act; in fact he began only living in the FOS full time. In the end he bring Clark back not just because people miss him but because Clark is a hero in his own right as Batman showed him. He didn't bring Clark back as just a sentimental keepsake and friend to people--he brought him back because he was a hero and Superman is a 24/7 hero in the new 52.
So yeah is ideas on Clark are very much different than what they were and could be see as a bit alien in some aspects.
Also it can't be denied that his krypton world is being played up much more than his human aspects to the point where he has actually called his FOS his home or house several times (Action comics, Supergirl, Superman, and Superboy). The FOS seems to be where he feels the most comfortable and it seems to be the most honest expression of who he is now as a man. The farm for instance only shows who he used to be at one point.
To answer your last question: Do we as humans privatize feeling of love, courage, brilliance, hope, hate, humor, etc? We don't if we are going to except that there are aliens in the DC universe who are much much older than humans then what right do we have to call their behavior "human"? None. The most we can say is that they are relatable to us.
So to answer your question it does not make Superman or his parents "more human" they are still acting Kryptonian it just so happens that humans act in a similar way.
The definition of what an alien should look and act like shouldn't be so narrow. So yes I'll still say that his alien side is much more stated and touched on in the new 52.
I think your splitting hairs a bit with the "Formal wear" and "ceremonial armor" there isn't that much of a difference in the two. Also Supergirl (like Superman) are wearing very different suits from everyone else by design. Supergirl's suit is only given to her after gradation so it's not like a normal everyday suit. Superman's suit was one of the artifacts of note that the Collector picked up so again it's special in some regards even among kryptonians.
The the big fact of the matter is that like human's why should all kryptonians wear the same type of things? Like I said it may have to do with rank, where their from, what family they are from, race, and a whole bunch of other factors that we have as well.
But I guess I could see where you're coming from if you want more uniformity for a whole race of people. I just don't see it that way I guess.
While it's just a matter of time before the detail lines in his new costume fade into obscurity, I don't think the red trunks are coming back.
At the very least it was the subject of a humorous scene in Superman #14 when Lois thought Supergirl was a cosplayer.
Needless to say, Clark was not amused.
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My first reaction to seeing the New 52:
No Adam Strange?
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Jor-el wears the science conceal ringed planet because he is part of that conceal and Lara wears her crest because that's her family crest before Jor-el. The el symbol seems to be a house symbol and not individuals. It seems that you only wear that symbol during special events (e.i Supergirl's graduation or a the "formal wear" of Superman). Superman and Supergirl seems to have there costumes coming from a very bare bones "special event" type of thing than anything else.
If you remember Superman's suit only gained the "S" because of his DNA. It was unavoidable. Just as Supergirl getting it to signify graduation.
I think not having them all just mindlessly wear the "S" gives them more individuality as people in their own right. You now look past Jor-el of the house of el and now you see just Jor-el.
And again, who on earth do you know wears their "family crest" or a conformed family look everywhere they go. I don't think they have to all look the same just like we don't have to.
Also Krypton must be represented this way and you can't go wrong:
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