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    Most superheroes were created in a time of overt cultural racism (and legalized segregation, etc.). That's why there's so few ethnic comic book characters. I applaud any studio that's willing to purposefully hire a diverse cast. Every kid deserves the chance to see themselves in a hero.

    And while I have no official stats to back up that minorities are more inclined to see a film with a minority in it, I will mention I have several black friends that will not go see a movie that's all white. The main star doesn't have to be a minority, but they're supporting projects that hire actors of different races. The way they talked this is very common in the black community. It's their way of keeping Hollywood honest. Because the most truthful way to tell (most) stories is having the characters reflect all of humanity.

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    Maybe we should just change the title of this thread to "race issues in superhero movies".

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIFTY-TWO (52) View Post
    Again, a black person on the team or in a role of importance isn't gonna mean squat if the movie sucks. Django Unchained starred Jamie Foxx and featured Sam L. Jackson and it never got to the top of the box office.
    hey hey, Django Unchained doesn't suck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robotman4 View Post
    Maybe we should just change the title of this thread to "race issues in superhero movies".
    I was going to post my thoughts on this, but you're absolutely correct. Would the White Guilt Brigade please stop derailing the thread and kindly create their own?
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    Not sure what this will mean for Justice League, but...

    http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=73354
    Kevin Tsujihara Named CEO Of WARNER BROS.

    Remember that article a few months back about the divisiveness at Warner Bros. Studios? Things appear to be righting themselves as Kevin Tsujihara has been announced as the lead figure at the movie studio.
    Mark Julian - 1/28/2013

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    Kevin Tsujihara was just announced as the next CEO of Warner Bros. Entertainment. He will assume the position March 1. Former CEO Barry Meyer will remain as chairman through 2013.

    The competition for the leadership position atop Warner Bros. was cited as a significant factor in the studio's inability to get a Justice League movie and other DC Comics properties up and running for feature film adaptations. It was thought that Motion Pictures Group President Jeff Robinov weighed taking risks with superhero films too risky after the lack of success with Green Lantern and wished to prevent any failures while he was a contender for the CEO position. Now that Home Entertainment Group President Kevin Tsujihara has assumed the role we could see more risk-taking and development from WB, particularly on the superhero front. Although, the other side to that earlier discussion was that if Robinov didn't get the position he could decide to leave the studio. We'll have to wait and see how the recent hiring effects the Motion Pictures Group. Overall, even if Robinov leaves, I'd have to say this is a positive as there's now a clear-cut leader atop WB. Television Group President Bruce Rosenblum was also up for the position.

    Here's the official Press Release:

    Time Warner Inc. (NYSE: TWX) Chairman and CEO Jeff Bewkes and Warner Bros. Chairman and CEO Barry Meyer today announced that Kevin Tsujihara will become the next Chief Executive Officer of Warner Bros. Entertainment. Mr. Tsujihara will become CEO beginning March 1, 2013, succeeding Mr. Meyer, who will remain as Chairman through 2013.

    In making the announcement Mr. Bewkes said, “Kevin is one of the most effective and respected executives within Time Warner, and the right leader to ensure Warner Bros.’ preeminence into the future. He brings the perfect combination of strategic thinking, financial discipline, digital vision, and management style to build on Warner Bros.’ track record of success under Barry Meyer.”

    Mr. Meyer added, “In working with Kevin for nearly 20 years, I’ve come to know and value a talented executive with a passion for this company and its people. He has skillfully guided one of the most complex businesses at Warner Bros. during a time of transition in the home entertainment sector, and has a deep appreciation and respect for the films and TV shows we create. Kevin has a rare combination of extraordinary business acumen and a love for the art of storytelling, and I’m confident he will be a great leader for Warner Bros.”

    Over the next several months, Mr. Meyer and Mr. Tsujihara will work together with other members of Warner Bros. senior executive team, including Warner Bros. Television President Bruce Rosenblum and Warner Bros. Pictures President Jeff Robinov, to ensure an orderly transition.

    As President of Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group since 2005, Mr. Tsujihara currently oversees the company’s home video, digital distribution, videogames, anti-piracy, and emerging technology operations.

    Mr. Tsujihara said, “It is an honor to have the opportunity to lead this storied business. We’re at a pivotal moment in the histories of Hollywood and entertainment: technology is changing the canvas we use to create theatrical releases; home entertainment is rapidly evolving; and the definition of television now includes viewing across a wide range of devices and services. But in my mind one thing remains clear and constant: Warner Bros.’ unmatched ability to tell stories that inspire, educate, and entertain global audiences. We are extremely fortunate to have strong relationships with some of the industry’s most gifted talent and together we will continue to use those relationships, our scale, and our passion to build on Warner Bros. great legacy.”

    Mr. Tsujihara joined Warner Bros. in 1994 as Director, Special Projects, Finance to assist in the management of the company’s interest in Six Flags. Across his nearly two decades with the company he has served as Executive Vice President, Corporate Business Development & Strategy, Warner Bros. Entertainment and, Executive Vice President, New Media, responsible for the oversight of all Warner Bros.’ new media endeavors.

    Mr. Tsujihara received his bachelor’s degree in business administration from the University of Southern California and his MBA from Stanford University. He sits on the Board of Directors for the MPAA, City Year Los Angeles, an education focused, nonprofit organization, the Los Angeles Sports & Entertainment Commission, Kabam, the Verdugo Hills Hospital Foundation, and the Entertainment Software Association.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Self-DCeit View Post
    I was going to post my thoughts on this, but you're absolutely correct. Would the White Guilt Brigade please stop derailing the thread and kindly create their own?
    Yes! Please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Predator jp View Post
    hey hey, Django Unchained doesn't suck!
    Django Unchained was amazing! But let's not kid ourselves into thinking black audiences drive the box office. They clearly don't. If they did there'd be more movies featuring black actors in leading roles that didn't have Madea running around in the background.
    Comic book movies are driven by fans and the average movie goer. How many black people were in the Spider-man movies? None. It didn't stop that franchise's box office assault. But guess what? Black people like Spider-man. I think Thor may have more black fans than Black Panther does.
    Would I like to see more movies that feature black actors in strong leading roles, a la Django? Fuck yeah! It's amazing that Black Panther hasn't even been hinted at as a solo project in the Marvel movie machine, even after all these years. But let's not get on a soapbox and assume that because black people decide not to watch, that Hollywood will even take notice. There isn't a strong enough black audience to get that many movies featuring a black cast to the #1 spot at the box office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lafanboy View Post
    Most superheroes were created in a time of overt cultural racism (and legalized segregation, etc.). That's why there's so few ethnic comic book characters. I applaud any studio that's willing to purposefully hire a diverse cast. Every kid deserves the chance to see themselves in a hero.

    And while I have no official stats to back up that minorities are more inclined to see a film with a minority in it, I will mention I have several black friends that will not go see a movie that's all white. The main star doesn't have to be a minority, but they're supporting projects that hire actors of different races. The way they talked this is very common in the black community. It's their way of keeping Hollywood honest. Because the most truthful way to tell (most) stories is having the characters reflect all of humanity.
    Most superheroes were created by minorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lafanboy View Post
    Most superheroes were created in a time of overt cultural racism (and legalized segregation, etc.). That's why there's so few ethnic comic book characters. I applaud any studio that's willing to purposefully hire a diverse cast. Every kid deserves the chance to see themselves in a hero.

    And while I have no official stats to back up that minorities are more inclined to see a film with a minority in it, I will mention I have several black friends that will not go see a movie that's all white. The main star doesn't have to be a minority, but they're supporting projects that hire actors of different races. The way they talked this is very common in the black community. It's their way of keeping Hollywood honest. Because the most truthful way to tell (most) stories is having the characters reflect all of humanity.
    I totally agree with this sentiment. Babybro, however, suggested that because the core team was all white (like the Avengers) that black people would stay home and JL would lose money.
    That's a flimsy argument, and hasn't been the case for some really big franchices, i.e. Spider-Man and Lord of the Rings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIFTY-TWO (52) View Post
    Django Unchained was amazing! But let's not kid ourselves into thinking black audiences drive the box office. They clearly don't. If they did there'd be more movies featuring black actors in leading roles that didn't have Madea running around in the background.
    Comic book movies are driven by fans and the average movie goer.
    Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.

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    Another possible delay in the JL movie. WB is a joke. This just in on Bleeding Cool. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/...-office-is-in/

    Despite several years of development time, and that’s only in respect of this particular iteration, Warner Bros. still aren’t ready to pull the trigger on Justice League. Indeed, any sort of forward motion on the film may have stopped entirely.

    In Variety‘s new piece on power shuffles at the head of the studio they say:

    Warner’s top brass has indicated that they are awaiting the results of Man of Steel, which opens June 14, before moving further ahead.

    Note that they say “before moving further ahead,” not “before giving a green light.” This would mean no interviewing or auditioning let alone any kind of pre-production of more concerted prep. That’s if we can take Variety’s report as to-the-letter accurate.

    The proposed 2015 release date for Justice League probably isn’t impossible, though it is looking increasingly ill advised.

    My gut feeling is that Man of Steel is going to be a smash though, of course, nobody knows anything.

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    I actually don't blame them for wanting to see how well Man of Steel does before sinking $300 million into Justice League. They dont want to have another Green Lantern situation on their hands. But MoS already much better hype than GL had. Mainly because of the trailers. MoS has a great tailer that shows the epicness of the movie. The first GL trailer was a joke. Really hope the person responsible got fired.

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    I dont think a JL movie is going to happen. Not at this rate. Seems they are making every excuse not to do it which really says a lot about them and how uncommited they are when it comes to their own superheroes. Really the DC superheroes should have been up on the big screen a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lafanboy View Post
    Another possible delay in the JL movie. WB is a joke. This just in on Bleeding Cool. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/01/...-office-is-in/

    Despite several years of development time, and that’s only in respect of this particular iteration, Warner Bros. still aren’t ready to pull the trigger on Justice League. Indeed, any sort of forward motion on the film may have stopped entirely.

    In Variety‘s new piece on power shuffles at the head of the studio they say:

    Warner’s top brass has indicated that they are awaiting the results of Man of Steel, which opens June 14, before moving further ahead.

    Note that they say “before moving further ahead,” not “before giving a green light.” This would mean no interviewing or auditioning let alone any kind of pre-production of more concerted prep. That’s if we can take Variety’s report as to-the-letter accurate.

    The proposed 2015 release date for Justice League probably isn’t impossible, though it is looking increasingly ill advised.

    My gut feeling is that Man of Steel is going to be a smash though, of course, nobody knows anything.
    This makes sense. I'd rather WB wait and make a good JL movie than rush in and "try to get some of that Avengers money" which is what they seemed like they were doing. If they don't have a solid cast and script and director, JL will flop, and flop big. They have NO lead in, NO Batman, NO Wonder Woman and have established no crediblity or anticipation with their audience.

    By the time Avengers came out, audiences were drooling for it, waiting with anticipation, and the groundwork was laid. These jackasses will seem like they are trying for a cash grab if they rush in with a JL movie, because that's what they will do and the characters will have NO credibility.

    Batman worked because we could see Batman building himself up as Batman. I anticipate that's why Man of Steel will work as well. That's why Iron Man worked as well. Batman and Iron Man had different tones, but the savvyness was there to both movies, treating the audience with respect. Green Lantern, not so much, it seemed ridiculous and silly with ridiculous aliens, "Sinestro" and all the rest. That material needed some reworking to work with a modern audience.

    I'm not sure what the plan is, or should be, but at the very least, the actors who are helming the movie franchises need to be in the JL movie. That means Cavill in JL, and Reynolds as GL. I think Reynolds is a good actor even if his movie sucked balls, and he can definitely carry a film and work well in an ensemble. Tweak his suit, and maybe use the JL to reboot things a bit. Maybe if he does well in JL this could revive GL- or you could kill him off in the beginning or something and the ring passes to another as part of the plot (Hal was investigating an alien menace and gets killed during his investigation...) Enter John Stewart? So many options. But the appearance of continuity is important and people will eat it up. If there's a new GL all of a sudden, with some lame explanation, people won't care for it.

    My two cents.

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    It's hard to imagine that anyone at WB would be thinking that Man of Steel's success would be a good indicator of whether or not to do a Justice League movie. They already have Avengers to look at and that movie starred characters that barely anyone knew about. This makes me think that they are looking more to Man of Steel in terms of what the tone of Justice League would be or whether the two should tie into each other or not. I have no doubt they want to do Justice League, someone should be fired if there's any hesitation there, but I think that they want to try and get the most money out of it possible and I can't fault them for that.

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