Socialism and NUTrek (abramsverse)

[DeadXMan]

http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated...review-5603035

[DeadXMan]

Yeah, but Tasha's homeplanet wasn't part of the Federation.

It was a failed Colony planet kinda like the Planet in the begining of Star trek V

SO the fed left them to fend for themselves just like the planets on the cardassian boarders.

[dupersuper]

They are not as inconsitent as let's say transporters. Why do they put commando teams onto enemy ships? They can just beam a bomb to the right place and be done with it.

Their plot devices...er, shields were up.

[The Black Guardian]

There are no replicators in the Abramsverse yet and i would prefer if thos things would not exist along with holograms that can kill people.

It requires too much suspension of dispbelief.

And we cannot have that, now... it might become *gasp* fantasy. Oh wait... it already is. If you've already bought into the Abramverse, then you've already accepted far worse than that.

It's not really the holograms that ever killed anybody. It's things like forcefields and the like. That's what made holodeck things "tangible."

[thwhtGuardian]

That only makes sense if Kirk meant they didn't use the 20th century's idea of money. Because McCoy was talking about money in the previous movie, which was only a few months before, chronologically.
I also remember Kirk telling Scotty "you've earned your pay for the week" after he'd saved the ship for the umpteenth time.

I don't know, the way they treated the whole concept of money in that movie made it seem like it was an alien concept to them.

It's possible that lines like, "You've just earned your pay for the week" by Kirk, or "I'd give real money if he'd shut up." by McCoy in the Undiscovered Country aren't actual references to the use of money but are merely idioms.

[Shikidum]

And we cannot have that, now... it might become *gasp* fantasy. Oh wait... it already is. If you've already bought into the Abramverse, then you've already accepted far worse than that.

It's not really the holograms that ever killed anybody. It's things like forcefields and the like. That's what made holodeck things "tangible."

As far as i am concerned the Abramverse is an alternate reality. And holograms did kill people, heck on Voyager they even started their own nazi movement.

[thwhtGuardian]

As far as i am concerned the Abramverse is an alternate reality. And holograms did kill people, heck on Voyager they even started their own nazi movement.

What he's saying is that the the Abrams movie isn't any more realistic than any other version of Star Trek.

[Shikidum]

Yeah but the abramsverse so far is more consistent.

[dupersuper]

Yeah but the abramsverse so far is more consistent.

It's hard for 1 movie to be as inconsistent as 10 movies, 5 live action series and 1 cartoon written by dozens or more over decades...

[Kyer]

It's hard for 1 movie to be as inconsistent as 10 movies, 5 live action series and 1 cartoon written by dozens or more over decades...

Yes. (I was laughing about that post and was going to reply to it, but you said it for me.)

I faithfully watched Classic Trek when it first came out and they did use credits. No idea what the other shows used as wasn't so faithful to them...although I think I did see an episode or two of DS9 where money was used. The Ferengi sure were enamored of capitalism.

IMHO, people are motivated by money. Barter is fine, but getting work done purely for the love of the work....eh...going to be hard to find someone in love with cleaning public toilets. Or the job of cleaning the public toilet cleaning robots when they need servicing. I'd want to get paid quite a bit for that job.

[thwhtGuardian]

Yeah but the abramsverse so far is more consistent.

It's pretty easy for one film to be consistant don't you think?

I mean, if you look at each of the previous movies, and each previous episode in isolation they're all consistent as well so as far as legitimate criticisms this one seems pretty much irrelevant.

[Shikidum]

I just hope that it will stay that way.

[Shikidum]

In the Into Darkness 2 comic money was mentioned for the first time.

Sorry?

I forgot, did we see them paying fo drinks in the first movie?

[Mat001]

That only makes sense if Kirk meant they didn't use the 20th century's idea of money. Because McCoy was talking about money in the previous movie, which was only a few months before, chronologically.

McCoy said that he would pay for transport. But that didn't mean that he had a bank account full of money. Rather, he could have stuff in his apartment that he could use as a form of currency for the pilot.

I also remember Kirk telling Scotty "you've earned your pay for the week" after he'd saved the ship for the umpteenth time in some episode.

That assumes that Kirk wasn't being facetious.

Dudes, within the Federation there is no need for cash but outside of the Federation cash is still used and not everyone is in the Federation. DS9 was over a Bajoran planet who, i am probably wrong, was just applying to the Federation? So there was still cash used.

Exactly.

Kirk also said in Generations he had sold his house

Selling doesn't require cash, but transferring the property deed to someone else.