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El Double Le Post
Last edited by RMAN63; 01-23-2013 at 05:42 PM.
Velvet: The Unusual Superheroine!
I don't think real-world mythology would really answer this question, because what's "true" in the book is Azzarello's personal mythology, which won't necessarily correspond with any real world mythology. But, to respond more directly to your point, Ares as he describes himself in 0 doesn't see war as chaos; he sees it as conflict resolution (and he even calls himself, among other things, "the resolver of conflicts," if I remember right.) Maybe war without a presiding consciousness would become more chaotic and less honorable, in his view. Or maybe Ares sees that war has already become too chaotic and dishonorable and not enough about resolving conflicts, and he thinks that a new, less burned-out god is needed to set things right.
(Here again Sandman could possibly be an influence. Destruction, one of the seven Endless who represent different aspects of life, ran away and gave up his role years ago, and he he says destruction kept happening in his absent--if anything, just a bit less controlled.)
Or, maybe, in Azzarello's world, war without Ares wouldn't be out of control, but it would inevitably seek out a god to personify it, because part of the nature of reality in this fictional universe is that major aspects of experience are personified by gods.
Last edited by slvn; 01-23-2013 at 05:57 PM.
This was another fun issue. Chiang's art makes anything work.
Slvn - Your speculation regarding Ares is interesting; I particularly like the Sandman references. But, what about Kronos? He's a chair in the underworld, but his defeat doesn't seem to have sent time out of control nor do I see any real indication that Zeus took his place as the god of time (though perhaps he did, and thus is able to remove himself from time). The gods' powers, imo, are less a position and more just a part of the god. To put it another way, Ares isn't the current 'Acting Director of Warfare,' Ares IS war.
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Most likely not, the attire is sort of an extension of who she is, as in; some people will love it and some people will hate it.*It's nice to see Hera out of her usual attire. I wonder if Strife will ever appear wearing anything else other than the trademark not-torn dress.
I doubt he wants to kill her, possibly after seeing what happened to Artemis he's come around and hoped that Diana's time in man's world and the loss of her mother and sisters will have made her more open to his way of doing things?Can someone point out to me why Ares would want to kill Wonder Woman NOW? Surely he's had plenty of time to realize and accept that she just not the mindless war-monger he always wanted her to be.
Added he could just appear in the bar to poke fun at his mother.
I'm really fascinated by The First Born. Possibly a reimagined Hercules? Though the red tunic and cape remind me of Kirby's Atlas. Why does Hades want him dead? And how did he come out of the ground wearing the black cape and gauntlets? Can't wait for the answers Mr. Azzarello!
Well, that's true, but in the myths, Helios wasn't Acting Director of the Sun; he WAS the sun, but then he was "dead" or imprisoned in Tartarus, and Apollo was the sun. As with the Endless in Sandman, the role or essence goes on, even if embodied by someone new. We saw the same kind of thing at the end of the Odyssey run, didn't we? Nemesis wanted Diana to replace/become her by slaying her. That precedent is of course not binding on Azzarello, but he may be coincidentally doing something similar.To put it another way, Ares isn't the current 'Acting Director of Warfare,' Ares IS war.
More to the point, the idea that Ares wanted Diana to succeed him is not my speculation; we "hear" him thinking it in #0.
Returning to Dionysus' words, though, it might be that Ares does plan to kill Diana, in the sense that he plans to fight her to the death to test her as his successor. He says in 0 that the true warrior never accepts death even though he knows that death is the price of war (or something like that). So I expect him to put up a fight and not just stretch out his neck for the chopping, even if deep down he's rooting for Wonder Woman to slay him and not the other way around.
By the way, on a somewhat related subject, don't forget (unless you've managed to avoid and want to keep avoiding) that spoiler from ComicsCon. spoilers:
end of spoilers
On the "concept to comic" panel that the Wonder Woman team did, the pitch for #0 was shown, and it mentions that the new status quo was going to be to Wonder Woman refusing to become god of war after slaying Ares. This was supposed to happen in 13, but it may have been just postponed, not abandoned.
Last edited by slvn; 01-24-2013 at 07:51 AM.
Was the aborted Diana/Orion fight on the first page like some thought, or did we have some of the Gods take up the first few pages?
I don't get my issue till a little later today
If the blond woman in the snow is Cassie, why is she wearing a hi-tech neck brace we've never seen in the Titans comic? Besides, the woman in the snow looks older, than Cassie would be. Perhaps, she is Doctor Cyber, Eviless or even Veronica Cale.
All we know is that she's blond and modeled on a friend of Chiang's.
And I think Demeter looks RIDICULOUS. What's with the wingy shoulder-things in that dress? Why would an Earth goddess, still be wearing Eighties-styled dresses, with big, wingy shoulder-crap? And with a face, like that, why is Demeter wearing a DRESS, at all? She looks like a green BEAGLE, ..a green beagle in a sun dress! She looks like a clown!
Demeter's interpretation for a horror comic should look scary or eerily beautiful or somehow reflecting the power of the Earth, ..but, Chiang's Earth goddess just looks silly, and the Earth is not silly. That's Demeter's problem in a nutshell. Cliff Chiang has been ingenius in his modernizations of the Greek Gods, and he's entitled to one dud.
Demeter is that dud.
Here's how you do a Green Goddess...
Last edited by MelDyer; 01-24-2013 at 05:55 AM.
"I collect beings like him and cut them open--so I can hold in my hand what makes them tick."
Cassandra on Orion of the New Gods (Wonder Woman #26)
Diana stands around a lot, someone I dont care about beats up ice warriors. Gods everywhere doing not much.
But the highlight has to be Zola, who deals with her terrible despair over her lost baby by propositioning a stranger she met outside the toilet 8 seconds ago.
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But maybe it has to do with the fact she's standing next to some guy in beast underpants and improbable body structure (I'm pretty sure some of these muscles aren'ts supposed to look like that).
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I agree. I think Demeter looks great in the comic. It would irritate me if she was just another hot chick.
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