Wonder Woman #16 (spoilers)

[sberg1]

I bought the issue this morning on my iPad but won't be able to read it until tonight. Counting down the hours!

[jabu46]

Yeah--I thought Orion was implying that when he said that it was "understandable" that Diana (aka "Legs") wanted to "jump at" him, but it would have to wait for later. I wouldn't call this a pun, exactly but Orion chooses to hear a double entendre. Or maybe it's me choosing to hear a double entendre. :)[/QUOTE

It was actually more to me how their personalities are and they seem to get under each other's skin...but that "legs" line and Diana's reaction was great, funny, and kinda sexy.

[Seant]

Another great issue. Yes, very talky, but good talky, in that it was all about the characters. Loved that "legs" line. Steve calls her angel, Orion calls her Legs. Hilarious.

Loved the scene of Hera trying to order. Was that a song she was singing, "wine, wine, all the time"? Trying to make up her mind about a cocktail with all these crazy artisinal ingredients is pretty funny, especially these days.

The only bad thing about the issue is that Chiang will be missing next issue, I believe. I never look forward to that.

[slvn]

Trying to make up her mind about a cocktail with all these crazy artisinal ingredients is pretty funny, especially these days.

Yeah, and the snooty hipster waiter giving Zola the stink eye was a nice touch.

Was that a song she was singing, "wine, wine, all the time"?

Maybe Hera has been checking out Youtube to pass the time while Zola hogs the remote control?

[Goldgeller]

Decent issue. I like Orion. I hope he gets some feats or some big scenes soon. I think I'm preemptively mad-- Here steals every scene she's in and I'm liking her more and more. I know she's gonna get killed sooner or later. Most likely baby's first casualty to show "whoa this little guy is strong or vengeful" or something like that. I feel it coming. The series isn't so great, but I'm enjoying the characters a little more than I thought I would.

[Hound of UIster]

At his core (even before FP), couldn't Orion be considered the New Gods equal of Heracles; as in the Hero God, who keeps the rest of them safe from monsters and mad counterparts, the one with a reputation and so on. So perhaps it is not entirely unreasonable to think that Orion might not believe a woman could be his equal in the spot he usually shines in.

Orion is closer to Ares.

[Desaad]

At his core (even before FP), couldn't Orion be considered the New Gods equal of Heracles; as in the Hero God, who keeps the rest of them safe from monsters and mad counterparts, the one with a reputation and so on. So perhaps it is not entirely unreasonable to think that Orion might not believe a woman could be his equal in the spot he usually shines in.

The comparison isn't a very apt one, though I see what you're saying.

Hercules wasn't really part of the 'god' community. Orion is the New Genesian god of good who gets his hands dirty so that others don't have to, but who in part revels in it, feels at home with violence and battle and bloodshed.

It's the conflict of what he's learned, what he feels, and what is necessary that drives the character forward.

That said, as Kirby portrayed him, I don't think misogyny would make much sense. It's been an element of the character that has been misinterpreted before, specifically his racism towards the Bugs under Starlin, but I didn't see any hints of anything of the kind in Kirby's Orion (or in Azz's).

I think he's just very confident in his own abilities, and often speaks through violence. It's not "A woman could never match me in battle", its "I AM battle. Nothing can match me."

[WhitOro]

Now I'm picturing Brian Azzarello watching this video and it's the greatest thought in the world.

I enjoyed the issue, thought I got to admit, I don't really like the First Born's battle armor, but maybe it can grow on me.
And I'm curious about what Ares could do that it can provoke that reaction... I mean, ok, he's the God of War, so the god of every single carnage and bloodshed through history, but that scene was just left me puzzled.




STRIFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. squee

[Mr. Holmes]

Fantastic issue.

[slvn]

At his core (even before FP), couldn't Orion be considered the New Gods equal of Heracles; as in the Hero God, who keeps the rest of them safe from monsters and mad counterparts, the one with a reputation and so on. So perhaps it is not entirely unreasonable to think that Orion might not believe a woman could be his equal in the spot he usually shines in.

I wasn't saying that Orion was being misogynistic or even unreasonable--just that he amusingly interpreted (or pretended to interpret) Wonder Woman's "jump at you" comment as sexual interest, which he said there would be time for later. It's interesting that he comes to Earth to "relax"; I like that he's not 100% business.

[Outside_85]

I wasn't saying that Orion was being misogynistic or even unreasonable--just that he amusingly interpreted (or pretended to interpret) Wonder Woman's "jump at you" comment as sexual interest, which he said there would be time for later. It's interesting that he comes to Earth to "relax"; I like that he's not 100% business.

I didn't mean he was a DC Herc level of a-hole...perhaps more like Marvel's Hercules who has problems with seeing women as equals.

The comparison isn't a very apt one, though I see what you're saying.

Hercules wasn't really part of the 'god' community. Orion is the New Genesian god of good who gets his hands dirty so that others don't have to, but who in part revels in it, feels at home with violence and battle and bloodshed.

You could say that Orion has the same troubles with fitting in on New Genesis since (I assume) he is still the son of Darkseid their mortal enemy.

I think he's just very confident in his own abilities, and often speaks through violence. It's not "A woman could never match me in battle", its "I AM battle. Nothing can match me."

That is true.

Orion is closer to Ares.

Hmm, only in title.
Ares, as I picture him, is a godly version of a butcher that, as he said at the pool party, would gladly kill any man woman and child if it suited him. Orion is nothing like that.

[Desaad]

The difference is that Hercules wasn't a god, flat out. Orion doesn't fit in New Genesis completely because he's come to be associated with strife and war - with doing what is necessary to keep that peace.

Hercules doesn't play a role on Olympus because...he's below them. He's a hero of the moral world.

In that way Hercules has more in common with Diana than with Orion.

[Mr. Holmes]

Speaking of, I want to see a modernized Hercules here. They did reference "The Lion."

[Retro315]

I like how Orion is just popping in on Earth, 'cuz there's god-trouble. It makes him feel like an adventurer. Wonder Woman shone, Milan was disturbing and sad. The baby is a curiosity. So much mystery pervades this book. But it is nice to see Ares and Strife in a bar with their mom and ... father's fling. And Dionysus is a curiosity.

[Don-Jack]

Cassandra must be the other sister, all right. She said she spent almost 60 years to decipher the tattoos, but she doesn't look old. Just like Lennox.