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    Maybe it should be up to the captain instead of enforcing some universal rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choblik View Post
    Maybe it should be up to the captain instead of enforcing some universal rule.
    Which is generally how it went in TOS.
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    Then why cannot be just captain's judgement even if the civilisation was not tempered with? Starfleet captains for the most part upstanding moral people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choblik View Post
    Then why cannot be just captain's judgement even if the civilisation was not tempered with? Starfleet captains for the most part upstanding moral people.
    You'd have to ask the writers & producers of TNG & VOY why the Prime Directive became more rigid than it was in TOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Choblik View Post
    I don't see why certain internal rules could not be changed.
    Sure they can, but if you want such central rules changed, at some point you should ask yourself if you wouldn't be better off just watching something else...
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    Sure they can, but if you want such central rules changed, at some point you should ask yourself if you wouldn't be better off just watching something else...
    Is it really central? Did the Prime directive come up in DS 9 outside of the don't mess with time thing?

    I love DS 9 the most and it's still Star Strek. If there would be many m\franchises as big as ST...

    You'd have to ask the writers & producers of TNG & VOY why the Prime Directive became more rigid than it was in TOS.
    Does the Prime Directive even make sense if Kirk can just go down and set things right for a pre-warp civilisation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choblik View Post
    Does the Prime Directive even make sense if Kirk can just go down and set things right for a pre-warp civilisation?
    Yes, because that was an aspect of the Prime Directive in Kirk's day--to help pre-warp civilizations from going down the wrong path (namely stagnation, but also from harmful/destructive outside influence).
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    Is there a canon source that confirms your statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choblik View Post
    Is there a canon source that confirms your statement?
    I've already listed several episodes.
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    Yeah but in all of those cases he was correcting someone else's intervention...

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    Look back to the earlier cases I provided. In "Return of the Archons" and "The Apple", Kirk acted to kickstart civilizations that had stagnated and had become "arrested cultures." Heck, "Return of the Archons" was the first time the Prime Directive was ever mentioned in Trek.
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    Owrite so according to you the Prime Directive should be what?

    it would allow Starfleet members to do what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Choblik View Post
    Owrite so according to you the Prime Directive should be what?

    it would allow Starfleet members to do what?

    I don't have a problem with the Prime Directive. It's just that VOY retroactively had Kirk as some sort of chronic violator of it when he actually wasn't in TOS itself. It may have been to bolster the idea by the show's writers and producers of Kirk as Starfleet's biggest bad boy or to show how Starfleet had higher standards in the 24th-Century than they did in the 23rd-Century, I dunno...
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Earl View Post
    to show how Starfleet had higher standards in the 24th-Century than they did in the 23rd-Century, I dunno...
    I loved her line after she had entered Tuvoks mind to relive his days serving under Sulu about how Kirk and company would be drummed out of Starfleet today. Please. *eye roll icon dearly missed*
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupersuper View Post
    I loved her line after she had entered Tuvoks mind to relive his days serving under Sulu about how Kirk and company would be drummed out of Starfleet today. Please. *eye roll icon dearly missed*
    Yeah, that says it all.
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