Thor and Loki bloodbrothers question (spoilers)

**gazarth** · 01-23-2013, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Rheged

Because Loki is the god of LIES and evil in the Marvel Norse pantheon? And you fell for his lies.

Please do NOT start blaming Sif. It's misogynistic, ugly, and simply wrong. Loki made his own bed. Loki earned every bit of familial feelings he got.

Also, please do not conflate the various versions of Loki. Movie Loki isn't comic book Loki or cartoon Loki. Pick ONE to talk about.

loki isnt the god of lies, he is the god of mischief. ther is a difference

**Moonwing** · 01-23-2013, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Rheged

I don't think they are from tumblr, though they probably lurk there. But, yes, it's the same trolling crap.

I surely hope so, but all "arguments" and staff look frighteningly like ones I have unfortunately witnessed there while checking a link given by friend of mine.

**Rheged** · 01-23-2013, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by banbi

Sif is not a special snowflake.. she's not the messiah for girls.
brunhilde has more personality.

You're mixing your religions. There aren't any messiahs in Marvel's Norse pantheon.

Brunhilde? You mean Valkyrie? She of the multiple personalities?

**banbi** · 01-23-2013, 01:23 AM

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Sif is very responsible for hurting that little girl on JIM --Sif is very responsible for that also hurting a defenseless child is not a very warrior-like attitude).

**Rheged** · 01-23-2013, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Moonwing

I surely hope so, but all "arguments" and staff look frighteningly like ones I have unfortunately witnessed there while checking a link given by friend of mine.

They are all reading some 'review' or essay some loon wrote about Blood Brothers and how it proved Loki was a misunderstood saint. Any second now, one of them will bring up how horrible Sif was for POINTING, and that's why she deserved to be chained up and tortured. Some really misogynistic stuff.

**Moonwing** · 01-23-2013, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by banbi

Sif is very responsible for hurting that little girl on JIM --Sif is very responsible for that also hurting a defenseless child is not a very warrior-like attitude).

She has done it while under the spell that altered her personality. Please do not use scans without context.

**Rheged** · 01-23-2013, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by gazarth

loki isnt the god of lies, he is the god of mischief. ther is a difference

In the Marvel Norse pantheon, he's referred to as the god of lies, as well as mischief, and madness.

http://www.comicvine.com/loki/29-4324/

**banbi** · 01-23-2013, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by Moonwing

She has done it while under the spell that altered her personality. Please do not use scans without context.

But it is her fault she wanted to spell.
the Berserker Spell,"did not excuse that she has violated a child.

**Rheged** · 01-23-2013, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by banbi

Sif is very responsible for hurting that little girl on JIM --Sif is very responsible for that also hurting a defenseless child is not a very warrior-like attitude).

Post that page where Loki is abusing that child that dared to speak up against him, in Blood Brothers.

**Rheged** · 01-23-2013, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by banbi

But it is her fault she wanted to spell.
the Berserker Spell,"did not excuse that she has violated a child.

Only you believe that. The rest of us understand Sif wasn't herself.

**Moonwing** · 01-23-2013, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by banbi

But it is her fault she wanted to spell.
the Berserker Spell,"did not excuse that she has violated a child.

Yep, to be able to defend what she loves.
She didn't violate that girl. She just didn't do anything to prevent the harm that was done while girl didn't done what was expected of her -in this case -catch that sword.

**banbi** · 01-23-2013, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Moonwing

Yep, to be able to defend what she loves.
She didn't violate that girl. She just didn't do anything to prevent the harm that was done while girl didn't done what was expected of her -in this case -catch that sword.

with eyes closed?

**junesdisco** · 01-23-2013, 02:05 AM

Yes, Loki can be sympathetic at times. He can also be a total dick. He is a manipulative bastard, he is a liar, and not only is he that way to everyone else, he's that way to himself. He screws himself over constantly. The tragedy of Loki is the fact that he is locked into this role and no matter what, he cannot change it. He tries to erase his past self and start up a completely new destiny? Nope, goes right back to his old self. He gets the throne? It doesn't matter, he's never, ever going to get what he wants (and I'd argue that he doesn't even know what he wants, at this point, other than to spread chaos because that is what Loki does and nevermind an actual endgame).

He's not a two-dimensional villain, but he's not a sweet innocent kitten who does bad things because Sif was mean to him. Yeah, the guy's got issues and various events in his life (some that he brought on himself, some that he didn't) made him what he is. But that doesn't excuse his actions. It makes them more understandable, but doesn't excuse them.

Also, Sif is awesome. And I guarantee she's going to have to deal with the things she did while under the influence of the Berserker spell.