Should Poison Ivy be made a part of the Swamp Thing book?

[Power Torch]

Pamela would be an "on paper" girl, a woman who on paper is a perfect match for Alec in terms of interest and similarity, but of course Alec works with his "opposite" Abby who is the heir apparent for the rot.

I just see that Poison Ivy could really grow as a character in the Swamp Thing book instead of just being another freakish Batman rogue, he's gone into overflow in that regard, it wouldn't kill the Batman book to let one of the rogue's fly away to grow into their own character more, IMO.

Ya that whole "on paper" thing is what I was thinking off. Like they work together so they start to have feelings, but they are not really meant to be together.

I am liking this idea more and more. DC bring Ivy to Swamp Thing and I will love you more again! lol

[Confuzzled Mutie]

I just see that Poison Ivy could really grow as a character in the Swamp Thing book instead of just being another freakish Batman rogue, he's gone into overflow in that regard, it wouldn't kill the Batman book to let one of the rogue's fly away to grow into their own character more, IMO.

True. Especially as Poison Ivy is not just one of the most well-known female characters in the Batman universe, but in the DC universe as well. She is also much more complex and layered than most of Batman's gimmick villains, so shades of gray anti-heroine suits her far better than two-dimensional cackling Arkham loon. She deserves to be a regular on an ongoing, whether it be Swamp Thing, Suicide Squad, BoP or a solo. She could be as developed and influential a villain turned hero in the DC universe as Emma Frost is over in the Marvel universe, if not more.

Also, more Ivy appearances mean more artists get to draw her, which is always a great thing for everybody involved!

[Confuzzled Mutie]

Ya that whole "on paper" thing is what I was thinking off. Like they work together so they start to have feelings, but they are not really meant to be together.

Yes, while Ivy and Swampy share loads of things in common, I don't see an Alec and Pam cutesy match-up work permanently anywhere but in the BTAS/TNBA based universe, where the original Poison Ivy settled down with Holland and lived happily ever after.

Someone like Deadshot or Hush would be a far better match for her.

[DebkoX]

She'd make a brilliant Hero in Swamp thing, just damned surprised its only been linked now!

[Confuzzled Mutie]

She'd make a brilliant Hero in Swamp thing, just damned surprised its only been linked now!

The two characters have been crossing paths now and then since the 80s', starting with Neil Gaiman's Black Orchid linking Pamela and Alec's histories together. It is just that in pre-New 52, DC kept Poison Ivy's status quo as mostly Gotham Rogue. Even when she appeared in titles like Suicide Squad, she was always a Bat villain first and foremost, always destined to return to Gotham City and Batman's universe after her stint in the concerned book was over.

It is only now that DC is branching out(no pun intended) with the possibilities of her characterization and powers by having her make prominent appearances in non Bat-books like Birds of Prey and Swamp Thing.

[MajorHoy]

True. Especially as Poison Ivy is not just one of the most well-known female characters in the Batman universe, but in the DC universe as well. She is also much more complex and layered than most of Batman's gimmick villains, so shades of gray anti-heroine suits her far better than two-dimensional cackling Arkham loon. She deserves to be a regular on an ongoing, whether it be Swamp Thing, Suicide Squad, BoP or a solo. She could be as developed and influential a villain turned hero in the DC universe as Emma Frost is over in the Marvel universe, if not more.

Also, more Ivy appearances mean more artists get to draw her, which is always a great thing for everybody involved!

There are a lot of better-known females in DC, like Wonder Woman, Lois Lane, Batgirl, Supergirl, possibly even Hawkgirl (from the animated JL series), perhaps even Black Canary, among others.

And if you're not a Poison Ivy super-fan, she does come off as just another "gimmick villain", but not as well known as the likes of Joker, Catwoman and Penguin. (Not sure how she would compare with Riddler, Two-Face, Scarecrow, or even Mr. Freeze, who got a lot of exposure with the old TV show from the 1960's.)

[Confuzzled Mutie]

There are a lot of better-known females in DC, like Wonder Woman, Lois Lane, Batgirl, Supergirl, possibly even Hawkgirl (from the animated JL series), perhaps even Black Canary, among others.

And if you're not a Poison Ivy super-fan, she does come off as just another "gimmick villain", but not as well known as the likes of Joker, Catwoman and Penguin. (Not sure how she would compare with Riddler, Two-Face, Scarecrow, or even Mr. Freeze, who got a lot of exposure with the old TV show from the 1960's.)

The fact that she is the most cosplayed female comic book character in comic conventions and costume/Halloween parties shows that she is close to Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Batgirl and Supergirl in terms of visual recognisability and general awareness. Most people I know of from the non-superhero fan crowd know of Poison Ivy(mostly thanks to Uma Thurman playing her on the big screen) but have no clue about Black Canary.

And while she is not on Joker levels of fame(or infamy), she has been more than a gimmick villain for decades now, starting with none other than Neil Gaiman fleshing out her character in the 80s' with his short story Pavane and his depiction of Ivy in Black Orchid. So the potential is there.

[Sharkey2112]

I went with being a regular on Swamp Thing, because one of concepts I would love to see being explored in the series is how other characters associated with the Green interact with each other and whatever current plotline is running at the time.

It would be interesting to see Alec, the loving hero of the series having to deal with Poison Ivy and her eco-terrorist antics. Whilst on the subject, I would also love to see Woodrue come back properly as well. :)

[AlfredIslas]

Maybe Alec and Ivy can become BFFs rather than lovers. A man and a woman don't have to be in love to enjoy each other's company. But yeah, Ivy and Swamp Thing definitely belong together as something because she just complements him so well and vice versa. The storyline just has to be explored.

[Mr. Holmes]

There's a scene in Moore's Swamp Thing when he detects a "Green" presence in Gotham. I thought it was going to be Ivy, but it was Floronic Man.

They can just replace his role with Ivy in the current one.

[stk]

Hell no, she shouldn't be part of Swamp Thing.

[Power Torch]

Yes, while Ivy and Swampy share loads of things in common, I don't see an Alec and Pam cutesy match-up work permanently anywhere but in the BTAS/TNBA based universe, where the original Poison Ivy settled down with Holland and lived happily ever after.

Someone like Deadshot or Hush would be a far better match for her.

Oh no I did not mean anything permanent, I mean like a fling kinda thing.

And I have to agree with you about how she is recognizable, more so then others. But I don't think that would be enough to hold a series down. Also I think there are other female heroes who need a title of there own. She is at least one of the most recognizable females in the "Batworld" and the normal world as well. If you show a random person a picture of Poison Ivy, they are more likely to get it then Katana or Hawkgirl (well a good guess could get Hawkgirl) or even Black Canary. But I think that is all due to her being in a movie.

I say if DC gave it a shot, it would have a chance of lasting for a bit. I think Katana has the same chance, and its all about the writers and artist when it comes down to it.

Hell no, she shouldn't be part of Swamp Thing.

Can you give a reason why lol? Just wondering your reason is all.