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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I don't know... Steve seemed pretty fair to me.

    When QQ refused to help, Steve allowed it. And at the end he even allowed QQ to walk free if he choose.

    In the end, I think QQ chose to help, and earned a bit of respect from Steve and vice versa. Which is sort of the point of these AvX stories. I'm not saying Cap and QQ are the best of friends now... but I think they have an understanding. The sort that comes from working together this way.
    Cap took a kid involuntarily into combat, what is fair about that?

    Wolverine senta kid involentarily into combat , what is fair about that

    And QQ crimes would get him a few months on juvenile parol at worse


    this was just another Cap fap, that required a mutant to job to Cap
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    Cap took a kid involuntarily into combat, what is fair about that?

    Wolverine senta kid involentarily into combat , what is fair about that

    And QQ crimes would get him a few months on juvenile parol at worse


    this was just another Cap fap, that required a mutant to job to Cap
    Again, when QQ chose not to get involved, Steve allowed it.

    When QQ chose to get involved, Steve even offered him his freedom afterwards.

    Steve gave him an opportunity to earn his freedom, which he did. But instead QQ chose not only to help Steve on that one occasion but to continue being involved with the X-Men. He's actually helping to make a better person out of him.

    As far as him only getting a few months in juvi... I suspect forcibly entering the UN in a post 9/11 world alone will get more than a slap on the wrist. Mind controlling people to attack each other as his way of going it likely compounds that. And thats only talking about what he did in that one book... ignoring his previous actions.

    Not that it mattered. Again, Steve gave him his opportunity to earn his freedom. And he did if that's what he choose. So for all your ranking, I think this ended being a positive experience for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Again, when QQ chose not to get involved, Steve allowed it.

    When QQ chose to get involved, Steve even offered him his freedom afterwards.

    Steve gave him an opportunity to earn his freedom, which he did. But instead QQ chose not only to help Steve on that one occasion but to continue being involved with the X-Men. He's actually helping to make a better person out of him.
    Getting lesson about being a better peerson from the curtrent cap is like getiing dieting lessons from a hippo. Cap brought a child into a combat sitation involetarily. That is a worse crime that what QQ was accused of
    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    As far as him only getting a few months in juvi... I suspect forcibly entering the UN in a post 9/11 world alone will get more than a slap on the wrist. Mind controlling people to attack each other as his way of going it likely compounds that. And thats only talking about what he did in that one book... ignoring his previous actions.
    Read that issue again what he did was bust in and make people tell the truth.
    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Not that it mattered. Again, Steve gave him his opportunity to earn his freedom. And he did if that's what he choose. So for all your ranking, I think this ended being a positive experience for both.
    Cap took a kid involuntarily into combat. Cap has done far worse than anything QQ has done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post

    Read that issue again what he did was bust in and make people tell the truth.
    I can do better than just read the issue again... I can scan an actual scene from the book showing QQ using mind control to get people to attack each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I can do better than just read the issue again... I can scan an actual scene from the book showing QQ using mind control to get people to attack each other.

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    OK add assualt, if you coud prove it
    That is still minor compared to crimes Cap has committed.

    And you are still studiously ignoring Cap and Wolverine sending QQ into a combat situation against his will.. I guess even as biased as you are you can't make up a excuse for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyStark1012 View Post
    Ah no. Magik and Namor did these things as well. Also whether you like them or not. Wolverine and Beast are still X-Men. Always have. Always will be. So yes they count as well.
    Beast has spent surprisingly little time as an X-Man, Wolverine less and less as well. He is in 2 solos, 2 Avenger teams, runs a school and is one X-team.

    Why is Quire allowed to go on field missions? He was at the old Xavier school, before it started much in the way of superhero combat training. He has spent most the time since when Cyclops would have forced him to become a ninja in a box. Logan goes light on the combat training, though R'chel doesn't go easy on psychic training. While he is certainly psychically adept, his field training and experience is minimal. A Riot and robbing a casino are the highlights of his super-CV. Logan shouldn't be letting him do this. Cap probably has no idea how clueless QQ is. Cyclops himself would prefer a more battle trained if less powerful psychic such as Psylocke over Quire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    OK add assualt, if you coud prove it
    That is still minor compared to crimes Cap has committed.

    And you are still studiously ignoring Cap and Wolverine sending QQ into a combat situation against his will.. I guess even as biased as you are you can't make up a excuse for that.
    I don't have to make up an excuse.

    When QQ decided he didn't want to help, Steve said: "Fine... Have it your way."

    He didn't force him into combat. He allowed him the option to say no. And when QQ decided to help anyways, he offered him his freedom in return.

    Steve was more than fair here, and QQ ended up seeing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    I don't have to make up an excuse.

    When QQ decided he didn't want to help, Steve said: "Fine... Have it your way."

    He didn't force him into combat. He allowed him the option to say no. And when QQ decided to help anyways, he offered him his freedom in return.

    Steve was more than fair here, and QQ ended up seeing that.
    QQ was in combat where Cap and Wolverine forced him to go, without that force he would not have even been there. Taking a kid in to a combat zone then telling him he doesn't need to fight is taling a kid into combat. the only NO wou that matters is t QQ ablity to say he didn't want to go into danger, and he obviously was not wallowed to make that choice

    QQ did not see cap was fair he jut got two lessons. One that Cap believes he is fighting evil, two that Cap and Wolverine are complete hypocrites since they are willing to send kids into combat
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    QQ was in combat where Cap and Wolverine forced him to go, without that force he would not have even been there. Taking a kid in to a combat zone then telling him he doesn't need to fight is taling a kid into combat. the only NO wou that matters is t QQ ablity to say he didn't want to go into danger, and he obviously was not wallowed to make that choice

    QQ did not see cap was fair he jut got two lessons. One that Cap believes he is fighting evil, two that Cap and Wolverine are complete hypocrites since they are willing to send kids into combat
    That may be the lesson YOU got out of it... I don't think QQ had any problems at all with Steve or Logan in the end. In fact, I think he ended up gaining more respect for Steve. Which was kind of the point. Both didn't know each other, but a degree of mutual respect came about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    That may be the lesson YOU got out of it... I don't think QQ had any problems at all with Steve or Logan in the end. In fact, I think he ended up gaining more respect for Steve. Which was kind of the point. Both didn't know each other, but a degree of mutual respect came about.
    Yeah I'm not reading QQ having much respect for anything that doesn't have an "X"

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    That may be the lesson YOU got out of it... I don't think QQ had any problems at all with Steve or Logan in the end. In fact, I think he ended up gaining more respect for Steve. Which was kind of the point. Both didn't know each other, but a degree of mutual respect came about.
    Give it up x reading and understanding are not some people strong point. As the book speaks for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timeismoney View Post
    Give it up x reading and understanding are not some people strong point. As the book speaks for itself.
    Probably good advice. Doing all this scanning literally JUST for him is starting to be too much work.

    Moving on to the actual book... I do think it's actually kind of fun. But I seriously wonder how long it will be before it's cancelled. I don't follow sales so I don't know how well these are doing, but anthologies typically don't last too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    That may be the lesson YOU got out of it... I don't think QQ had any problems at all with Steve or Logan in the end. In fact, I think he ended up gaining more respect for Steve. Which was kind of the point. Both didn't know each other, but a degree of mutual respect came about.
    Puttin him INTO the sitation at all makes them hypcrites, they put a kid into combat against his will and it turned out OK, How it turned out does;t effect the hypocrisy of and evil of the original action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    Puttin him INTO the sitation at all makes them hypcrites, they put a kid into combat against his will and it turned out OK, How it turned out does;t effect the hypocrisy of and evil of the original action.
    I love how you bitch about Cap doing this but when Cyke does it you've got endless excuses for why it's OK.

    Again, the hypocrisy at this point is just sad.

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    Ignore mkIII. It is really not necessary to engage. Never quote, never reply to him, just let him be. You gain an unfair advantage by arguing against him.
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