Captain America #3 *Spoilers*

**Corey W** · 01-19-2013, 03:18 PM

I won't read it until trade, but it sounds fun to me. The crazier superhero comics get, the more I love them. It is one of the reason that I love Cosmic Marvel.

**jackolover** · 01-19-2013, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by strathcona

Nope, Arnie died in 1995 right near the end of Gruenwald's run... Cap in armor. Died of cancer. He was a childhood friend of Cap's right from his introduction in the 80s.

Originally Posted by Bookem Danno

Jeepers, you're right of course, in hindsight it makes that scene even more unbearably long to establish that connection. Unless maybe their is a connection to his lookalike son which would seem far too contrived. More leary about the title now.

IIRC, Arnie was a supporting castmember back circa stern/byrne with respectable showings and believable/canon connection to knowing Steve years earlier. Whether it those issues still happened in the NOW era the timesliding makes Arnie connection to this guy in this issue impossible to justify without a lot more explanation it appears.

Thanks for these replies. I never realized Arnie Roth was in the books before. I just wonder if he's supposed to be this real life composer who did video game music?

**strathcona** · 01-19-2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by jackolover

Thanks for these replies. I never realized Arnie Roth was in the books before. I just wonder if he's supposed to be this real life composer who did video game music?

Doubt it, a quick Google search shows me that he started gaining popularity in the last decade, after the fictional character had died.

Also, Cap's buddy Arnie Roth was gay. I wonder if Remender will hint at that.

**jackolover** · 01-19-2013, 07:09 PM

Another thing I missed before about the Rogers flashback stuff in this issue, is that here we are seeing how Steve doesn't want another outnumbered friend suffer alone, and so suffering shared is suffering better coped with. Steve couldn't live with himself if he couldn't stand up to those bullies, but walked away ashamed. The girl showed what it is like to be that way. She was willing to leave Arnie get a beating, because there was no risk to her safety. Steve didn't like that. Steve was taught by his mother what women should be like. Not be victims, but able to stand in the face of violence. Women take beatings anyway, from brutal and stronger men, but they don't have to cringe and be intimidated, like that girl was. This is what Steve is showing now. He learnt what his mother taught him.

So you can imagine, when that girl walked away with that bully, if they got married, that bully would beat her whenever he wanted, and she would cringe in a corner every time he did it.

**cable guy** · 01-21-2013, 06:42 AM

This is a great series so far, I'm just loving.

This issue... was creepy lol. Between what he did to the poor maid and the Zola on Caps chest

**masmason** · 01-21-2013, 01:59 PM

I love where this series is going,plus the end of this issue was crazy

**DoveCity187** · 01-21-2013, 02:11 PM

this is about to get dropped...

its just tooo out there.

**Jody Garland** · 01-22-2013, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by strathcona

Also, Cap's buddy Arnie Roth was gay. I wonder if Remender will hint at that.

The way the bully kept calling him a Nancy, I thought it was hinting at that. Granted, that can be a generic insult for that era, but still.

**StoneGold** · 01-24-2013, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by strathcona

Doubt it, a quick Google search shows me that he started gaining popularity in the last decade, after the fictional character had died.

Also, Cap's buddy Arnie Roth was gay. I wonder if Remender will hint at that.

A couple of things regarding Arnie were foreshadowed. In the same conversation, really, the one about girls? Arnie seems disinterested, talks about working out. Because he used to defend Steve when Steve got picked on. So presumably, Arnie bulks up a bit after this outing.

Say what you will, but even when there's something that looks like it might slightly break with continuity, Remender's done his homework, he's found ways to slide it in.

But seriously, the Zola chest gag? Pure f'n Kirby.

**Flash Gordon** · 01-25-2013, 04:39 PM

Just re-read this issue tonight and damn oh damn is it good. The Kirby feel of this series totally works for me, in fact I think it's one of the best books at Marvel right now. So much genre bending goodness.

I haven't wanted a hero to simply punch a villain in the face in a long time. I can't wait for Cap to take out Zola.

That last page, I could feel the anguish. Fantastic cliff-hanger. Can't wait for #4.

**_Tim_** · 01-25-2013, 10:56 PM

After an awesome first issue the last couple have left me kind of...eh...still awesome as far as different ideas and a different spin on the title, which I like, but really issues 2 and 3 could have easily been condensed to 8-12 pages of total material without sacrificing anything...the pacing is killing me...

Still, the Zola background in the beginning was a neat twist, and creepy...I think it added some depth that I haven't saw in this character (so not sure if it's been covered before)...
sad I have to wait another four weeks now for the next issue...