Team 7 #4 Discussion/Spoilers

[Raye]

well, they are encountering both Spartan and Ladytron in the future, they could add some cybernetics to the Majestic Project bag of tricks, you never know.

[robcastor729]

This issue sounds great. My LCS sold out. So I won't get it until next week.
It sounds like from the above posts that THE MAJESTIC PROJECT plays a role for certain characters.
I could see Higgins turning out to be Midnighter. Plus with must of the characters having children in the present day we will have even more tied to THE MAJESTIC PROJECT

[Desaad]

well, they are encountering both Spartan and Ladytron in the future, they could add some cybernetics to the Majestic Project bag of tricks, you never know.

I mean to say I liked the idea that they were grown, rather than enhanced.

[Raye]

ah, gotcha. though I don't think it was ever shown to be the case, (or not be the case for that matter) they never did find out their full origins.

btw, yes, I REALLY hope to see TAO at some point.

[Desaad]

ah, gotcha. though I don't think it was ever shown to be the case, (or not be the case for that matter) they never did find out their full origins.

btw, yes, I REALLY hope to see TAO at some point.

Definitely never shown to be the case -- though I think some of the earlier Ellis stuff implied it. I just liked that take a bit more, making them a bit more alien, a bit more tragic to me. Literally that they were made to this, only this, why they were so compelled.

I wouldn't mind TAO having escaped in the 5 years ago time, to have already made a name for himself in the modern world, a la Sleeper.

[Mr. Holmes]

If I remember Stormwatch right, Bendix warns them that they'll be stripped of anything resembling their previous lives.

[Raye]

Yeah, that's right. I think initially they were not even supposed to have had their minds wiped so much as have simply had their previous identities erased from records and such. It morphed into a mind wipe or something not long after, though, where they actually could not remember beyond Bendix creating them. And a LOT of things from Stormwatch got changed when they became the Authority, like Swift's disposable wings.

And this is why I walked away from CBR a while back, I never got anything done. :p I think I will go now. It's been fun.

[El Sombrero]

This was better than the last few issues, but I feel like this title is really far off from its potential right now.

The characters mostly come off as really generic and nondescript. The only thing separating each one is their prime skill, or token character trait (Ramos = pilot, Fairchild = funny guy, Deathstroke = badass, Bronson = new kid, etc). Very few, if any of the characters are likable or interesting. Jordan needs to do some serious character work here, or cut the roster down to a small number and do more with those few. Grifter gets some good moments here, but they have nothing to do with character development, and more of the "he just happened to do the cool things this issue" variety.

The Eclipso plotline felt more like something editorial wanted in there, than a story that would have been natural or satisfying to kick this book off.

The art isn't working for me. Jesus Merino is a good artist but is a poor fit for this book. This book either needs someone gritty to make things feel rough and secretive (like a Michael Lark variety artist), or someone who can handle insane action sequences to play up the crazy things happening (I don't really care for Bryan Hitch, but he's an example). Merino is more of a standard superhero artist and doesn't really work here. I'm kinda puzzled why he was chosen for this book.

I really like the concept of the book -- black ops team at the beginning of the New 52 era -- but in pretty much every area, this book has a long way to go. I'm still sticking with it, because in spite of all of those complaints, there's nothing really offensive or bad about the book, so it's not really turning me off in any way. But it needs to pick up, and fast, as the sales are really bad. I'd probably throw Joe Bennett over here from Hawkman, as he can handle the "insane action" quite well.

[batGRRRl4ever]

I enjoyed the initial set-up of issues #0-1 but have just completely lost interest with issues #2-3. I'll give it one more issue to pull me back in, but I am seriously leaning toward dropping it. The writing is REALLY bland for my tastes.

[Fresondageek]

I had low expectations of it based on the concept but it is pretty fun. Love Grifter, Slade, and Fairchild in it! The story was good if a little too quickly wrapped up. Jordan has made Deathstroke almost as good as Higgins and his Shadowman is to die for! I'll continue but like said earlier, might not make it past a 12th issue.

[vicvega]

As much as I enjoy this, I'm thinking about dropping it from my pull list so I can make room for Green Arrow with Lemire or the new Vibe. Frankenstein's cancellation gave me room for JLA, and I plan to read Threshold in trades. That being said, I enjoy this series a lot.

[mego joe]

This was better than the last few issues, but I feel like this title is really far off from its potential right now.

The characters mostly come off as really generic and nondescript. The only thing separating each one is their prime skill, or token character trait (Ramos = pilot, Fairchild = funny guy, Deathstroke = badass, Bronson = new kid, etc). Very few, if any of the characters are likable or interesting. Jordan needs to do some serious character work here, or cut the roster down to a small number and do more with those few. Grifter gets some good moments here, but they have nothing to do with character development, and more of the "he just happened to do the cool things this issue" variety.

The Eclipso plotline felt more like something editorial wanted in there, than a story that would have been natural or satisfying to kick this book off.

The art isn't working for me. Jesus Merino is a good artist but is a poor fit for this book. This book either needs someone gritty to make things feel rough and secretive (like a Michael Lark variety artist), or someone who can handle insane action sequences to play up the crazy things happening (I don't really care for Bryan Hitch, but he's an example). Merino is more of a standard superhero artist and doesn't really work here. I'm kinda puzzled why he was chosen for this book.

I really like the concept of the book -- black ops team at the beginning of the New 52 era -- but in pretty much every area, this book has a long way to go. I'm still sticking with it, because in spite of all of those complaints, there's nothing really offensive or bad about the book, so it's not really turning me off in any way. But it needs to pick up, and fast, as the sales are really bad. I'd probably throw Joe Bennett over here from Hawkman, as he can handle the "insane action" quite well.

Agree with your assessment. I did not get this issue I dropped it after #3. You are on target in your assessment of the Eclipso storyline- editorially mandated and not a natural fit for the first arc of this book.

[DarkKnghtJared]

Also, Midnighter never said he'd never met Apollo before, nor did he actually say his name was Lucas, he said 'call me Lucas' subtle but potentially significant difference, (probably not the intent at the time, but still a loophole they can use) and it's been hinted at that he's been lying about something.

Or it could be sort-of like Wolverine, where he called himself Logan for decades, but only because he didn't remember his real name of James Howllet.

[Desaad]

It's certainly readable, but it's far the inferior of Mike Costa's Blackhawks.