Aquaman vs The Frieza Saga

[Pendaran]

So what are some of his offensive psychic feats?

Mental commands, knocking people out, putting them to sleep, driving them off or halting them through pain, telepathic domination.

[moonknight11]

Wait so when are we going to start using the Nu52 versions of characters? It's been over a year now since the reboot.

Everyone's still talking about the no longer canon Aquaman, when that entire continuity has been rewritten.

[Pendaran]

*shrug* They started talking like it was the post crisis guy, I clarified on his telepathy. No idea what the Nu one can do telepathy wise though it's apparently not all that much from what little has been mentioned.

[abmccray]

Mental commands, knocking people out, putting them to sleep, driving them off or halting them through pain, telepathic domination.

What kind of distance? (this matters when dealing with people with blasts) Line of sight, close range?

And yeah, this is the first I'm hearing of this. I haven't noticed many Aquaman threads really, and any JL comics I've read don't have him operating on that level at all. It's more interest than anything - I could come up with scenarios if he's -that- powerful.

[Pendaran]

What kind of distance? (this matters when dealing with people with blasts) Line of sight, close range?

Line of sight to close range, he's not on the Xavier scale of "I can just fuck with you from wherever in the planet".

edit: this is presuming the post crisis guy

edit edit: he's not some kind of super powerful mega telepathic thing, I'd place him on the Emma Frost/Early 90s X-men blue-gold team Jean Grey sort of tier of telepaths overall. So, certainly quite potent for what he is, but don't go nuts or anything. He's not Xavier or Moondragon or the Martian Manhunter (aside from this one time he totally telepathically jobbed the guy with clandestine scans that I don't put much stock in) or such people.

[The Drunkard Kid]

Vegeta is the only one who's ever shown any sort of telepathic resistance when he rejected Babidi.

None of the other DBZ characters have shown any sort of mental resistance save for Piccolo if that vampire movie is canon.

Goku may have some mental resistance since he had that one time "Imma read your mind, yo" moment when he arrived on Namek but no solid proof that he does.

There's also Buu completely ignoring Babidi's commands despite bearing a Majin Mark. And whatever Gohan and Kuririn's telepathic sparring entails.

And against any TP that can be resisted using willpower, well, if Vegeta can do it, Goku and Piccolo at least should be able to match the feat since especially since they both have more than decent telepathy communication feats as well, in addition to having any training that Gohan or Kuririn might have.

[Kamina]

Since this is a scenario battle, this means that everyone acts in character.

Fortunately for Aquaman, everyone in the DBZ is quite stupid (exception being Bulma & Piccolo) and lacks common sense. Strategy or planning is not the DBZ characters' forte

That wouldn't be my choice of words for the Frieza Saga.

If martians are descended from fish then probably every single thing in the DBZ-verse came from fish

Or we could say that he's affected extraterrestrials before... but then again, I think others have commented on how ridiculous that feat sounds.

I also don't see why Aquaman couldn't hide a Dragonball or two under water.

Bulma, Gohan, and Krillin have a radar that would allow them to find and take the ball. Frieza's group found them by extorting and interrogating the Namekians. Vegeta stole them from Frieza. Without the radar, most people who search for them are out of luck. Plus Arthur doesn't even know what the balls are or do - let alone whether he believes if they can summon a magical dragon that grants a single wish.

[Pendaran]

Or we could say that he's affected extraterrestrials before... but then again, I think others have commented on how ridiculous that feat sounds.

People who ignore Aquaman having a bunch of showings that ground that one just fine within an overall capacity for offensive telepathy sure have commented on how ridiculous that feat sounds to the point that we've had a mod ruling for his capacity for such things.

[BitVyper]

There's also Buu completely ignoring Babidi's commands despite bearing a Majin Mark. And whatever Gohan and Kuririn's telepathic sparring entails.

Also Tao Pai Pai. I think Nappa too, but Chiaotsu's ability might be more TK than TP.

Vegeta's instance is particularly notable though because he actually willingly let down his defenses and gave Babidi full access to his mind and still resisted his telepathy. Really, I don't understand the point of arguing that ki power doesn't have these defensive capabilities at this point - there are a number of feats from different characters which demonstrate that it comes with an entire suite of defensive powers which include resistance to telepathy and some level of reality manipulation. By this point, denying that they get some defenses is like denying that a given kryptonian would get super powers under the light of a yellow sun based on nothing but the fact that he hasn't demonstrated them yet.

Edit: Not that I'm suggesting Aquaman shouldn't be plenty capable of pulling mental fuckery on most characters, just that the upper tier guys, while maybe not immune, are going to be a lot more difficult to mess with.

[Nik Hasta]

Mental commands, knocking people out, putting them to sleep, driving them off or halting them through pain, telepathic domination.

There was also that time he had a telepathic battle with a dude that was so large scale that people and fish for miles around were experiencing pain and other telepaths around the world were like; "The hell is going on over there?!"

Post Crisis Arthur had a bunch of TP feats to his name.