Aquaman vs The Frieza Saga

[Guy1]

Vegeta is the only one who's ever shown any sort of telepathic resistance when he rejected Babidi.

None of the other DBZ characters have shown any sort of mental resistance save for Piccolo if that vampire movie is canon.

Vampire Movie?
Do you mean the Garlic Jr Saga? Because no, that was not canon.

Also....

Goku may have some mental resistance since he had that one time "Imma read your mind, yo" moment when he arrived on Namek but no solid proof that he does.

[Captain Morgan]

I'm not really seeing what's stopping Arthur from taking out the 5 people needed to satisfy the conditions of the scenario. How that affects the overall story arc, I dunno. Certainly a few less Nameks die, and I guess at some point it comes down to whether he coordinates with the good guys. Certainly he will working at less of a cross purpose to them.

[Hazard]

Question: Do the DBZ'ers mask their own ki signature COMPLETELY, or do they simply reduce it down to negligible levels? I was under the impression it was the latter, and that the scouters could only track sizable ki signatures. I don't especially see why Aquaman would have a detectable ki level, or why Freiza and company would even be looking for him in the first place.

Both actually.

As for scouters, they can register small power levels just fine. It is something not many people remember but most Nameks, with the exception of like a dozen warrior types or so, weren't that strong at all.

[abmccray]

Aquaman's incredibly fast in the water.

The issue of finding the Dragonballs shouldn't be a problem if he A) steals a scouter (using his telepathy to mask his presence and B) finds and hides the Dragonballs in the water as Frieza and his goons were completely useless at finding them in the water.

Hell, you don't even need to make that complicated. You could have Arthur telepathically control or nudge a Ginyu squad member to steal any Dragonballs and give them to Aquaman. Then wiping their memory of it ever happening.

Or mindcontrol one of the Ginyu members to destroy the scouters thus robbing them of the ability to find the Dragonballs.

Or mess with their perceptions of the Dragonballs' location on the scouters.

Or even use his telepathy to have any aquatic animals in the water to constantly move the Dragonballs around the planet taking them deeper and deeper in the water.

Aquaman's telepathy is a b*tch to deal with and Frieza and his goons simply have no defense against it.

And he's quite simply too damn smart for them to outmaneuver.

Outside of the iffiness of 12 completely different alien creatures all "coming from fish" (where Aquaman's telepathy comes from) and thus being able to be telepathically controlled...

Vegeta is the one that threw the Dragon Balls in the water because he stole some of them from Freeza and killed a Namek village to get the other. He only stole them from Freeza because Zarbon knew him and simply KOed him in their fight and took him back to Freeza and Vegeta was able to use his super strength to throw them miles away.

There's nothing saying he's "far smarter" than the people in the Freeza saga. Outside of the joke-Ginyu squad, no one was acting particularly stupid.

[abmccray]

I'm not really seeing what's stopping Arthur from taking out the 5 people needed to satisfy the conditions of the scenario. How that affects the overall story arc, I dunno. Certainly a few less Nameks die, and I guess at some point it comes down to whether he coordinates with the good guys. Certainly he will working at less of a cross purpose to them.

He's too slow to cross the huge distances required to cross the planet back and forth like the heroes did since he can't fly at hundreds or more of mach (remember where Goku started, and how long it took him to get to everyone, for instance - they crossed that distance several times in the saga). He might be fast in water, but once he has to use land to any degree, he's screwed. Meanwhile, Freeza is wandering around getting Dragonballs OR he never runs into Krillen/Gohan and THEY get them all via somehow stealing some from Freeza and making a wish.

[BitVyper]

In fairness, Namek appears to be mainly an ocean planet with most of the land just being islands.

[Bullets& Bracelets]

Outside of the iffiness of 12 completely different alien creatures all "coming from fish" (where Aquaman's telepathy comes from) and thus being able to be telepathically controlled...

Aquaman has frequently been depicted to have used his telepathy on alien/transdimensional creatures before. Despero is one of them...

He also used his telepathy on Promethian space-gods (knockoffs of Marvel's Celestials) and they clearly had no marine heritage as one of them was made of pure energy...

Aquaman's telepathy is gonna work on them as it has worked on aliens

re's nothing saying he's "far smarter" than the people in the Freeza saga. Outside of the joke-Ginyu squad, no one was acting particularly stupid.

Compared to a brilliant military strategist who works with Batman and Wonder Woman on warfare/prep time strategy, yes they are quite stupid in comparison. They've never encountered someone of Arthur's background or intelligence before.

[Bullets& Bracelets]

He's too slow to cross the huge distances required to cross the planet back and forth like the heroes did since he can't fly at hundreds or more of mach (remember where Goku started, and how long it took him to get to everyone, for instance - they crossed that distance several times in the saga). He might be fast in water, but once he has to use land to any degree, he's screwed. Meanwhile, Freeza is wandering around getting Dragonballs OR he never runs into Krillen/Gohan and THEY get them all via somehow stealing some from Freeza and making a wish.

As its been stated Namek is mostly water, so that's negated.

And who says he has to even go on land to get the Dragonballs. Mind control one of Friezas lackeys to get the balls.

Hell he could wait till Frieza or Krillin gets the balls and take it from them.

It's not like they could stop him if he wanted to. He could either give them strokes or make himself telepathically invisible to their presence or just put them to sleep.

His telepathy gives him way too many options to counter anything they do.

[BitVyper]

As its been stated Namek is mostly water, so that's negated.

Well not entirely. Freiza's ship seemed to be on a significantly larger bit of land, although it was still not too far from the ocean. There's also the Guru's place, which seemed like it was in a mountain range. So I mean, it won't be AS big of a deal, but it still will limit him somewhat.

[Max Sterling]

As its been stated Namek is mostly water, so that's negated.

And who says he has to even go on land to get the Dragonballs. Mind control one of Friezas lackeys to get the balls.

Hell he could wait till Frieza or Krillin gets the balls and take it from them.

It's not like they could stop him if he wanted to. He could either give them strokes or make himself telepathically invisible to their presence or just put them to sleep.

His telepathy gives him way too many options to counter anything they do.

At first I was very dubious he could pull it off, but his mind whammy's working on aliens seals the deal.


>.> Aquaman has a damn fair shot at beating this scenario... Wow...

[Pendaran]

Outside of the iffiness of 12 completely different alien creatures all "coming from fish" (where Aquaman's telepathy comes from) and thus being able to be telepathically controlled...

Without trying to touch anything else at all in a DBZ thread, unless this is NuAquaman, Aquaman has used his telepathy on a variety of things that don't come from fish, be they bodiless spirit whatevers to non Martian aliens.

[abmccray]

Without trying to touch anything else at all in a DBZ thread, unless this is NuAquaman, Aquaman has used his telepathy on a variety of things that don't come from fish, be they bodiless spirit whatevers to non Martian aliens.

What in the world? To what level? I only saw him use it on Martians with the excuse that "they evolved from fish too." Who took that and ran with it?

[Hazard]

There are certain powers that really break character presentation.

He's supposed to be the Fish guy.

Personally I liked it better when I thought he could just talk to fish.

[abmccray]

There are certain powers that really break character presentation.

He's supposed to be the Fish guy.

Personally I liked it better when I thought he could just talk to fish.

Yeah, that's pretty insane and kind of defeats the purpose of the character.

So what are some of his offensive psychic feats? To what distance can he use his abilities?

[Pendaran]

What in the world? To what level? I only saw him use it on Martians with the excuse that "they evolved from fish too." Who took that and ran with it?

Multiple writers across his career have had him use his telepathy as such, there's no one person that "took it and ran with it". I'm pretty sure you've been around besides for threads where various instances of that got counted off. Everything from losing attacks on Despero's mind alongside the Martian Manhunter (where the point is they fought his brain at all, not how rightfully fuckstomped they got for trying), to dominating alien dragon things from space, to making a millenium giant drop some whales, to.. a lot of crap man. He's done a bunch of telepathic crap to the point where trying to say he could only use it to some lesser level would not track.