Red Robin was kidnapped but they never showed how exactly. It just skipped from him leaving to go help to being captured.
Last edited by Nightfeather; 01-21-2013 at 06:53 PM.
Never liked Tim getting the shaft
But Damian is also a great Robin.
Can anyone come up with a source from Snyder saying that he wasn't going to kill anyone? I really, really, hope that he does. Give the arc some weight to it, so it wasn't all for naught
There is a God. And he hates us all.
It may seem like the Joker knows all about each character's personality but only enough that he could have picked up from years of dealing with them. When Red Robin demands the Joker to say his true name if he knows who he is, the Joker doesn't know. As others have already stated, from Alfred (Batman Inc.) to Barbara's mom (Commissioner Gordon), to Red Robin (Teen Titans) he doesn't seem to know their names. BUT how would he have known which stewardess Jason was sleeping with or to target multiple members of Haly's circus unless he knew about Dick and Jason? The Joker, or whoever this Joker is, knows at least some of their identities.
-Although the Joker is quoting Shakespeare like crazy (and Alfred loves the stage), I think it is unlikely this is some crazed Alfred. How then would the security footage show Alfred being taken by the Joker?
-I think he is showing everyone the same platter. After showing it to Two-face and the Penguin, he said how it wouldn't sit well with them and it probably wouldn't with the Batbabies either. So he is showing the same one. Now it isn't any of the sidekicks or he wouldn't be showing it to all of them and we probably would have heard something about a series being cancelled. It probably isn't Alfred because if it was, why would Penguin and Two-face seemed shocked? Joker kill normal people all the time and they don't know the connection between Alfred and Batman. That is where I'm stuck. But he did say "play with their expectations" so it could be anything really.
There was a time (it was probabaly a tweet that since has been erased), where Snyder said he was "off to the DC offices to get permission to maim a high profile character". I've tried so hard to find this, but it's not there anymore. And, I know it wasn't a dream, because then some people here have had the same dream.
Last edited by maxpower00044; 01-22-2013 at 07:49 AM.
I don't completely agree with everyone saying Snyder does stuff just to "shock" people. If he plans it from the start and throws in hints along the way, it really isn't just done for "shock value". I mean, yes, it may be a crazy turn of events, but just because it is nuts doesn't mean it is done with that in mind. He wants to change things up and that is something that Batman has needed for a long time. Give him some credit for doing something different. Alfred being Joker may be a little too out there for some, and I don't think that that is what is going on, but he said from the start that he was going for something crazy. I think he has done a pretty fantastic job so far and I would be really surprised if he did anything other than end this story on a good note. People get too worked up and expect "the greatest ending of all-time". Don't hype yourself into disappointment.
I reviewed the 2nd Death Of The Family on my site... http://goo.gl/oVZxJ and thought or hoped that the next issues of this series would be less gratuitous and more intelligent. But alas no, in this issue the Writer here got too, way too gruesome. Flies were all over the Joker and I felt the issue was way over cooked as it were. Your not likely to get my attention with torture... etc. That's just like playing with dead meat is all. Better to shoot a thing in the head and be done with it. So I decided I won't be reviewing this or the next one, which ends this. I haven't been paying all that much attention to Batman, the Nolan Movies were Pathetic! No passion, etc. So I'm not without my reasons. Too me Batman is far greater than these writers or 'movie of the 5th year directors'.
I did see Star Wars First.
Frank Miller appears to be the last one who even approached Batman's greatness.
Gotta say I'm loving this arc and the discussion.
Has anyone suggested that Harley Quinn is in the plate? I read the first 20 pages of the thread and didn't see anyone say that.
I can't see the other villains being disgusted by Joker maiming anyone, except the one person no one thinks he'd kill. This would be a way for Joker to show Batman that he, too, is better off without a "family", and that since Joker's willing to kill his, Bats should be ready to kill all of his as well. Didn't Joker say Batman would be the one to kill them all?
Just a guess. I can see why some might think Joker's really Alfred (it would explain knowing the identities), but I think it would've been a massive let down. As a newbie to the Bat-world of comics, but a longtime Batman fan, this arc has felt so epic and amazing, and having it not really be Joker would be massively disappointing.
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That's just it - what if it isn't something 'disgusting' (by that I mean a severed body part or something along those lines). What if it's something ridiculous?
Totally contrary to what Snyder's been putting forward in the arc, sure, but it could still work...