Could they pull of an all-female Avengers book?

[lilyinblue]

It's not exactly a trend, but during the crisis period from Civil War to now, not one female Avenger was the Director of Shield, (except Natasha for the short duration of Maria Hills unconsciousness), or it's replacement. Both Janet and Carol were given subservient roles in the CW and Initiative, and we're generally overruled by male characters. The male characters like Ares and Hank Pym came up with the ideas to defeat villains, and females were left roles of heroic action, only. All the lectures were made by male characters and female characters listened intently and were impressed. Females were patronised.

Here's what I was trying to get at though...

Separate the writer's choices from the characters' motivation.

How many of these things happened DIRECTLY because Steve or Tony have or had issues with women and not just because the writers aren't utilizing the characters? I think most of these things are really more the latter.

The closest thing I can think of is Tony constantly going over Carol's head when he put her in charge of the Mighty Avengers.

But I ask this:

Was this specifically because she was a woman?
Or was this because Tony's just an obsessive control freak who can't let go? (IE - would he have done that to pretty much anyone?)
If he really had a problem with women, why would he put her in charge anyway?

[marvell2100]

Here's what I was trying to get at though...

Separate the writer's choices from the characters' motivation.

How many of these things happened DIRECTLY because Steve or Tony have or had issues with women and not just because the writers aren't utilizing the characters? I think most of these things are really more the latter.

The closest thing I can think of is Tony constantly going over Carol's head when he put her in charge of the Mighty Avengers.

But I ask this:

Was this specifically because she was a woman?
Or was this because Tony's just an obsessive control freak who can't let go? (IE - would he have done that to pretty much anyone?)
If he really had a problem with women, why would he put her in charge anyway?

More to do with Tony. He pulled rank on Steve and Hank Pym before. Neither Steve, Thor or Tony had problems following Wasp's leadership because she was a woman.

[Mark_S]

Here's what I was trying to get at though...

Separate the writer's choices from the characters' motivation.

How many of these things happened DIRECTLY because Steve or Tony have or had issues with women and not just because the writers aren't utilizing the characters? I think most of these things are really more the latter.

The closest thing I can think of is Tony constantly going over Carol's head when he put her in charge of the Mighty Avengers.

But I ask this:

Was this specifically because she was a woman?
Or was this because Tony's just an obsessive control freak who can't let go? (IE - would he have done that to pretty much anyone?)
If he really had a problem with women, why would he put her in charge anyway?

Because he was easily able to control her. From invading Latveria to including Spiderwoman on the team Tony was written as knowing he could do it and that is I think why he chose Carol -aside from rewarding her for her actions in cw- to be head of the Avengers. The writer crafted a Carol who was subservient. Maybe because that is the way the writer saw Carol's character. In my opinion it didn't help her at all.

[jackolover]

Here's what I was trying to get at though...

Separate the writer's choices from the characters' motivation.

How many of these things happened DIRECTLY because Steve or Tony have or had issues with women and not just because the writers aren't utilizing the characters? I think most of these things are really more the latter.

The closest thing I can think of is Tony constantly going over Carol's head when he put her in charge of the Mighty Avengers.

But I ask this:

Was this specifically because she was a woman?
Or was this because Tony's just an obsessive control freak who can't let go? (IE - would he have done that to pretty much anyone?)
If he really had a problem with women, why would he put her in charge anyway?

Yes, I am happy to concede Tony is a control freak, and that's fine. But why can't a woman be a control freak and order stark around for a change? During this whole period from CW onwards, not one female was inclusive in the decision making processes of post-event status. You could wave it off as writers underuse of women, or, you have to concede that women have no roles in these crisis points in super hero history, because paternalistic male badgering won't let females near that stuff. I tend to feel that latter is the case, because whenever a milestone issue has to be resolved, males take over. The 3 godhead of the Asgardians after Fear Itself were the exception here, but not on Earth. Show me one female that can sit at that table?

Why is that the case? To my mind, females are never going to get those roles because males don't want to give them up. They will push their way to the front and insist they have the final say, while females will be a voice in the back that no one listens too. What the female Avengers need is a Thundra. You would have to punch her out to stop her voice from being heard, because she insists she is just as good or better than male equivalents. And that's the only way that a female voice will stand above Steve Rogers at this stage, because she insists on being at that table.

I was a little underwhelmed by Emma as she sat on the Cabal, with Doom and the others.

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[almozayaf]

1- what about all guys team, there no team all guys 100% even the boys have one female character (named the female best name for female character ever)
so why all girls group ?

2- if it a team to soulve women issue that will be cool .

3- i think any team can be good, even if we take the worst 6 annoying characters in comics history and gave them to Warren ellis it will be great book , take best 6 characters in comics history and gave them to same bad comic writer and you will have BAD Comics, so it dos not matter. it all about the writer.

[Habis]

Of course they can. It would work so long as they write it as a superhero book that just happen to have a female majority of members and not as an all-female-by-desing team. Superheroines have been treated as equals for a lot of time, they don't need their own team.

There are a bajizillon female avengers with distinct personalities, you can easily create a female team with an interesting group dinamic.

2- if it a team to soulve women issue that will be cool.

I think that any problems that merit calling the Avengers tend to be of the planet-breaking or at least country-razing variety, and always affect people of both genders. I can't see an Avengers team being focused on solving women issues.

[Zen-aku]

can there be a no option on the poll that isn't misognystic?

we already have three "Girl power" all girl books, how about marvel stop shafting the minority males and give guys like Cage, Blade, Warpath Ect. some thing to do.

[timeismoney]

Ii's Avengers with the right writer and artist, sure it will sale. Avengers Academy lasted 39 issues, so yeah an all female Avenger book can work.
Avengers are the biggest name in comics right now.

[Hawkingbird13]

1- what about all guys team, there no team all guys 100% even the boys have one female character (named the female best name for female character ever)
so why all girls group ?

2- if it a team to soulve women issue that will be cool .

3- i think any team can be good, even if we take the worst 6 annoying characters in comics history and gave them to Warren ellis it will be great book , take best 6 characters in comics history and gave them to same bad comic writer and you will have BAD Comics, so it dos not matter. it all about the writer.

1. There's the Illuminati AKA The Dick Squad, on two counts: attitude and an all-male team.

[Kieran_Frost]

LOVE the idea of an all female Avengers; they certainly have enough epic women (Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Kate Bishop, Wasp, Songbird, Moonstone, Lady Sif, Valkyrie, Black Widow). It won't be as amazing as Brian Wood's X-men... but hey!

1- what about all guys team, there no team all guys 100% even the boys have one female character (named the female best name for female character ever)
so why all girls group ?

New Avengers is all boys (so far).

- if it a team to soulve women issue that will be cool

Disagree. I want the all female team to NOT make their gender an issue.

we already have three "Girl power" all girl books, how about marvel stop shafting the minority males and give guys like Cage, Blade, Warpath Ect. some thing to do.

Women do make up more than 50% of the planet.