Could they pull of an all-female Avengers book?

[Seresecros]

I wouldn't think so. There would have to be a strong premise which explains why there are no male characters present. Unlike with the X-Females, the female Avengers don't tend to have much of a bond with one another (Danvers and Spider-Woman aside), and have mostly been developed in terms of which men they are dating.

Also, can we stop discussing the idea of a non-white Avengers team in here? This is about a non-male team. Despite both pushing back against a prejudice view, women and racial minorities shouldn't be used as comparison points for one another. I'm sure there's already a thread about an all-black team, and so on - conversation should be held there.

[lilyinblue]

If a gang of female Avengers collected in a room and someone stood up and said, "Ladies, whose sick of the boys club that's going all the time with the Avengers"? I bet all the rage and indignation would pour out and it would be so obvious how much the world has been shaped by this male dominated aggression. If an all female Avengers could use that as the core of it's mission, to reshape the outcomes so females dictate the outcomes, and the males get sore because they weren't consulted, then it would be a on.

I was rereading a bunch of Wonder Woman last night. There was a line in there somewhere. (I'm paraphrasing here.)

"Belief in the woman doesn't have to mean hatred of the man."

I'd rather the concept be approached with a positive tone than a divisive one.

[marvell2100]

I wouldn't think so. There would have to be a strong premise which explains why there are no male characters present. Unlike with the X-Females, the female Avengers don't tend to have much of a bond with one another (Danvers and Spider-Woman aside), and have mostly been developed in terms of which men they are dating.

Also, can we stop discussing the idea of a non-white Avengers team in here? This is about a non-male team. Despite both pushing back against a prejudice view, women and racial minorities shouldn't be used as comparison points for one another. I'm sure there's already a thread about an all-black team, and so on - conversation should be held there.

Not true at all. Jan, Carol and Wanda have a close bond. Jessica Jones, Spider-Woman and Carol have a close bond. Jubilee and Psylocke aren't close, neither are Monet and Storm. So to say that the Avengers women don't have as close a bond as the X-women is inaccurate.

[marvell2100]

I was rereading a bunch of Wonder Woman last night. There was a line in there somewhere. (I'm paraphrasing here.)

"Belief in the woman doesn't have to mean hatred of the man."

I'd rather the concept be approached with a positive tone than a divisive one.

Very true. Women hanging out doesn't men a rejection of men and vice versa. Just because I go to sports bars or sporting events with my buddies doesn't mean we reject women. That's just something that we do.

[Nomads1]

Not true at all. Jan, Carol and Wanda have a close bond. Jessica Jones, Spider-Woman and Carol have a close bond. Jubilee and Psylocke aren't close, neither are Monet and Storm. So to say that the Avengers women don't have as close a bond as the X-women is inaccurate.

Don't forget that Jan and Jennifer were also pretty tight during the Stern years. Tasha and Crystal seemed to get along fine, also.

Peace

[marvell2100]

Don't forget that Jan and Jennifer were also pretty tight during the Stern years. Tasha and Crystal seemed to get along fine, also.

Peace

Very true. Jan is like the Kevin Bacon of the Avengers ladies.

[Seresecros]

Not true at all. Jan, Carol and Wanda have a close bond. Jessica Jones, Spider-Woman and Carol have a close bond. Jubilee and Psylocke aren't close, neither are Monet and Storm. So to say that the Avengers women don't have as close a bond as the X-women is inaccurate.

They definitely have a closer bond than the avengers women, especially in the eyes of the wider audience. Wasp has been gone for a very long time, Black Widow doesn't socialise, and Jessica Jones isn't in the Avengers anymore, she left. Some of the female Avengers are friendly, but the women of the X-men consider each other family and have lived together for years.

[marvell2100]

They definitely have a closer bond than the avengers women, especially in the eyes of the wider audience. Wasp has been gone for a very long time, Black Widow doesn't socialise, and Jessica Jones isn't in the Avengers anymore, she left. Some of the female Avengers are friendly, but the women of the X-men consider each other family and have lived together for years.

That wasn't your original point. What does it matter that some consider the X-women closer. That has no impact on whether or not the Avengers women share a bond because the do. It doesn't matter if they are current members or not.

[Lady_Alternate]

I wouldn't think so. There would have to be a strong premise which explains why there are no male characters present. Unlike with the X-Females, the female Avengers don't tend to have much of a bond with one another (Danvers and Spider-Woman aside), and have mostly been developed in terms of which men they are dating.

Also, can we stop discussing the idea of a non-white Avengers team in here? This is about a non-male team. Despite both pushing back against a prejudice view, women and racial minorities shouldn't be used as comparison points for one another. I'm sure there's already a thread about an all-black team, and so on - conversation should be held there.

I agree. I'd actually love to see Carol & Jess buddy up long term on a title, but I think that beyond those two the bonds of friendship and family just aren't as tight as the traditional relationship between the X-Men. While no-one is claiming that the X-Men family is all sunshine and roses, it is very much a family in ways that the Avengers have never been.

[XPac]

Respectfully,we have to stop making excuses. I can walk into a store right now, and every employee is a woman. I can walk into a store right now, and every employee is Asian or Mexican. If you can bring a team together consisting of an Asgardian God, a brilliant Billionaire, a super soldier, an heiress and nerdy scientist, then you can have a super team with a few Black Guys from New York and a couple of other chocolate Avengers.

It's really less an issue of whether or not anyone can or can't, but whether or not anyone actually wants to.

If someone wants to they will. And if the story is good enough, it ultimately won't matter what color the characters are.

That's the reason why we've gotten a few all-female teams from time to time. Every so often a writer will want to do it.

[marvell2100]

I agree. I'd actually love to see Carol & Jess buddy up long term on a title, but I think that beyond those two the bonds of friendship and family just aren't as tight as the traditional relationship between the X-Men. While no-one is claiming that the X-Men family is all sunshine and roses, it is very much a family in ways that the Avengers have never been.

Still not true. Jan, Carol and Wanda have a very close bond as do Jan and Jen along with Carol, Jessica Jones and Jessica Drew. No one is deny the bond the X-women share but even all of them aren't that close. Again, saying the Avengers women don't have a close bond is inaccurate and the point is not to compare it to the X-women's bond.

[Kieran_Frost]

Here is a new ALL NON-CAUCASIAN Avengers thread, so this one can stay about women.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com...1#post16478431

[XPac]

I wouldn't think so. There would have to be a strong premise which explains why there are no male characters present. Unlike with the X-Females, the female Avengers don't tend to have much of a bond with one another (Danvers and Spider-Woman aside), and have mostly been developed in terms of which men they are dating.

Also, can we stop discussing the idea of a non-white Avengers team in here? This is about a non-male team. Despite both pushing back against a prejudice view, women and racial minorities shouldn't be used as comparison points for one another. I'm sure there's already a thread about an all-black team, and so on - conversation should be held there.

I think Bendis decided to make that Carols primary responsibility in the Avengers... to be every female characters best friend.

She was Jessica Jones best friend. She was Jessica Drews best friend. And with Wanda awol following House of M she was probably Jans best friend.

A simplest premise might simply be something like the Divas book where Carol is just hanging out with her friend or something. It might be less a structured team and more just of a casual type thing, which inevitably involves some superhero fighting.

[Lady_Alternate]

Still not true. Jan, Carol and Wanda have a very close bond as do Jan and Jen along with Carol, Jessica Jones and Jessica Drew. No one is deny the bond the X-women share but even all of them aren't that close. Again, saying the Avengers women don't have a close bond is inaccurate and the point is not to compare it to the X-women's bond.

It IS true. However you look at it, the Avengers women are friends - often close friends, but still just friends. The X-women are family. Its a wholly different dynamic, and its what will make Wood's book work, in a way that a thematically similar Avengers book just never could, or Fearless Defenders ever will.

[XPac]

It IS true. However you look at it, the Avengers women are friends - often close friends, but still just friends. The X-women are family. Its a wholly different dynamic, and its what will make Wood's book work, in a way that a thematically similar Avengers book just never could, or Fearless Defenders ever will.

Eh... depends specifically which characters you're talking about.

I honestly think Jessica Jones and Carol are just as close if not closer than any 2 X-Women you want to name.