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    Quote Originally Posted by Slam_Bradley View Post
    Battlefields is outstanding. As is War Stories.

    The Night Witches may be the best war comic I've ever read.
    I tend to agree with Dan, I am not a fan of Ennis' stuff. It tends to leave me cold and irritated. That said, the man can write some seriously good war comics. The War Stories stuff is the only thing by him I have read and liked. I haven't read Battlefields yet, but I will snag some of them if I see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berk View Post
    I will try the Ennis Fury series one of these days, but I might go for the earlier one first, the one that was recommended in an Ennis thread here a while back. Which reminds me I should go find it to remind myself which one is was, exactly.
    I'm pretty sure we recommended the current Fury MAX series, which, in my opinion, is a lot better than the first. This one is set against the backdrop of the Cold War with incursions into French Indochina, the Bay of Pigs invasion, Vietnam, and Nicaragua, and it has a lot more depth. The first series was good as a "Fury's last mission" sort of thing, but a lot of people were turned off the severely disgruntled Nick and his desire for Asian prostitutes. The current series doesn't feature that sort of humor.

    The first series is simply called Fury MAX. The second series is Fury MAX: My War Gone By.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee Jack View Post
    Dan, set aside your Ennis prejudice and try some of these: http://www.comics.org/series/name/Ba...ds/sort/alpha/
    Get thee behind me, CJ.

    (No prurient intent involved, btw.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezebel Bond View Post
    C'mon, tell us how you really feel?

    While Peter's exploring DocOck's body...he gets to discover events before Ock and May's planned marriage...and what he did with his ninth appendage. Technically, Peter has memories of bonking his own aunt.



    I love dirty talk during...well...you know...but fuddy duddy? FUDDY DUDDY?
    You know, this panel alone almost makes it worth buying. Aunt May as a sexy vixen? Is this where we break out the jokes about her fuddying Ock's duddy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jezebel Bond View Post
    Ye gods! Tentacle porn in Spider-Man?
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    I wish guys here would stop being fuddy duddies about Garth Ennis...

    ...I buy Jennifer Blood too so sue me

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan bailey View Post
    Get thee behind me, CJ.

    (No prurient intent involved, btw.)
    Seriously Dan, have you ever read any of the Battlefields books?
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    Nope. With the obvious Severin-centric exception of Semper Fi, my interest in war comics pretty much ends with the early Bronze Age.

    It's a fuddy-duddy thing, I guess.

    (Thank god for the daring self-styled hipsters among us, though.)
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    Basically, if you miss the wonder of a dog flying around in a little Superman cape, you're in the wrong hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zryson View Post
    verslibre interesting post. The thing I find sad about the comic industry is that its still so reliant on gimmicks to drive sales. But I wonder, for every sale they get I wonder how many people are turned off by their gimmicks because considering how much publicity the DCNU 52 received, it should have been much bigger than it was.
    Gimmicks are needed. Without them, ASM's sales were below 60,000 copies a month and Marvel's flagship character was not in the Top 20 selling comics of the month, as this sample chart from May 2012 shows.

    http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/23103.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by berk View Post
    I don't know the artist, but that cover is a good example of a style of comic book art that I just hate. And yes, Wolverine, with his superhero costume and his ridiculous pose looks completely out of place in a "jungle story" like this.
    And, I should have added, Shanna's own pose is just as ridiculous in its own way. In fact, that cover is almost a caricature of some of the silliest things about comics: Woverine is given the hyper-macho tough guy pose complete with bared teeth and Shanna's given the hyper-sexualised pose complete with supposedly alluring pout.

    Quote Originally Posted by dan bailey View Post
    Ditto, not surprisingly. The first Fury issue was enough to make me stay well away.
    I haven't read it yet, but I sould well react in much the same way. It's always a risk, for me at least, when I try a new version of a character I like from the old days, even if its written by a writer I like in other respects. But I really think you might like Ennis's stuff if you just tried the right thing. If you like war stories I imagine the ones Slam recommended might be a good place to look (I don't, so haven't read them yet myself).

    Quote Originally Posted by FanboyStranger View Post
    I'm pretty sure we recommended the current Fury MAX series, which, in my opinion, is a lot better than the first. This one is set against the backdrop of the Cold War with incursions into French Indochina, the Bay of Pigs invasion, Vietnam, and Nicaragua, and it has a lot more depth. The first series was good as a "Fury's last mission" sort of thing, but a lot of people were turned off the severely disgruntled Nick and his desire for Asian prostitutes. The current series doesn't feature that sort of humor.

    The first series is simply called Fury MAX. The second series is Fury MAX: My War Gone By.
    Ah, thanks. I just said I don't particularly like war comics, but I've always liked Fury, at least in his AGnet of SHIELD incarnation, and think Ennis's style might be a good fit, so I do want to check this out. Even though you're right, the first one sounds like the kind of piss-take on the character that turns a lot of people off Ennis right from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berk View Post
    And, I should have added, Shanna's own pose is just as ridiculous in its own way. In fact, that cover is almost a caricature of some of the silliest things about comics: Woverine is given the hyper-macho tough guy pose complete with bared teeth and Shanna's given the hyper-sexualised pose complete with supposedly alluring pout.
    But, berk, it's all about female empowerment! Or about satisfying the prurient interests of teen-age minded males. I forget which.

    And I don't even mind sexy-looking women on comic-book covers. But this is not a sexy woman, it's some kind of sex toy. (A malformed one, too).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roquefort Raider View Post
    But, berk, it's all about female empowerment! Or about satisfying the prurient interests of teen-age minded males. I forget which.

    And I don't even mind sexy-looking women on comic-book covers. But this is not a sexy woman, it's some kind of sex toy. (A malformed one, too).
    Yes, exactly.

    Sexy-looking women are great and always add something to a good comic story, but I think that if they're also supposed to be heroines they should look convincing in that sense as well. That's why I like Frank Cho: even though he does lay on the sexiness a little heavy himself, his heroines also look physically strong enough to be convincing as someone who could fight the adversaries they're faced with, something too many otherwise excellent artists don't bother with.

    Although, I have to say that I glanced at Savage Wolverine #1 yesterday and the quality seemed to me to have dropped off a little. I wonder if he's going to be one of those artists who lose their chops a bit as they spend more and more time writing rather than drawing comics. But I didn't really give it a close look, so maybe I'm wrong. I'll probably get it in trade when it's collected, unless I start to think it really is not very good

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    This was a mom-in-law special...I don't think I have any other recent autographed comics. Stan Lee has also been signing these books but I have an inkling of an aversion towards this...he's not directly involved with the story-line but is still armed with a sharpie and will travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by berk View Post
    Yes, exactly.
    . That's why I like Frank Cho: even though he does lay on the sexiness a little heavy himself, his heroines also look physically strong enough to be convincing as someone who could fight the adversaries they're faced with, something too many otherwise excellent artists don't bother with.
    It's true, Cho draws stunningly beautiful women. And all of them have one thing in common (apart from what you'd expect): they have ankles that actually look like they could support their weight. Astonishing pulchritude apart, Cho's heroines look like people who could actually exist. And they're all the sexier for it!
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    I think the old time readers deserve a STAN LEE No-Prize for their steadfast dedication to comics.

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