Question on JLA in "Death of Superman"

[Eyeswithoutaface]

Because he died killing Superman, then again in Hunter/Prey.

You said 'since he first killed Superman'. So, not counting the first time in DOS, Doomsday only died once more. And, his death in Hunter/Prey is moot anyways because...

How do you figure that?

The events of Doomsday's defeat were changed. More specifically because of how the timeline was reconstructed during Zero Hour.

[dupersuper]

You said 'since he first killed Superman'. So, not counting the first time in DOS, Doomsday only died once more. And, his death in Hunter/Prey is moot anyways because...



The events of Doomsday's defeat were changed. More specifically because of how the timeline was reconstructed during Zero Hour.

Doomsdays defeat wasn't changed, Brainiac just grabbed him from the end of time before he was destroyed.

[Buried Alien]

It kind of makes you wonder what Justice League lineup combo ever published could have defeated Doomsday that time with no casualties.

Maybe the full Satellite Era League with backup from the Marvel Family?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[marshal99]

It kind of makes you wonder what Justice League lineup combo ever published could have defeated Doomsday that time with no casualties.

Maybe the full Satellite Era League with backup from the Marvel Family?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Since Doomsday was a sales gimmick designed to kill superman , no lineup could have prevented that.

[idlewildered]

It kind of makes you wonder what Justice League lineup combo ever published could have defeated Doomsday that time with no casualties.

Maybe the full Satellite Era League with backup from the Marvel Family?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Justice League Antartica for the win!

[Mat001]

It kind of makes you wonder what Justice League lineup combo ever published could have defeated Doomsday that time with no casualties.

Maybe the full Satellite Era League with backup from the Marvel Family?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

It wouldn't matter because Doomsday would return to life, having evolved past them. That's why Doomsday was dropped at the end of time during the second encounter and then locked up in the teleporter in the third. Then Loeb had to mess it up.

Since Doomsday was a sales gimmick designed to kill superman

Once again, he was not a sales gimmick. The whole arc was a replacement for the wedding.

[dupersuper]

It kind of makes you wonder what Justice League lineup combo ever published could have defeated Doomsday that time with no casualties.

Maybe the full Satellite Era League with backup from the Marvel Family?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

If you want no casualties you may want to keep Batman, Green Arrow, Black Canary, Snapper, Ralph, Sue, the Hawks and others away: maybe providing support from the Hawks spaceship or the satellite, or helping evacuate civilians. Supes, Wondy, J'onn, Hal, John Stewart, Barry, Zee, Firestorm, Tornado, Phantom Stranger and the Marvels would be handy. Atom might be able to do something fancy.

[Whirlwind Dinamo]

Yeah and I wondered where were all his super cousins, cats, dogs etc?

[idlewildered]

Yeah and I wondered where were all his super cousins, cats, dogs etc?

no super pets at that point and Supergirl (the cousin version) was dead although the morph version did get face splatted by Doomsday during the battle.

[Mat001]

Kara didn't exist in the Post Crisis era. Not until Superman #200 changed history and allowed "Public Enemies" and "The Supergirl From Krypton" to introduce her in the DCU. The only Kara Zor-El that existed was a ghostly apparition that only Deadman could see. The other Supergirl, was the Matrix Supergirl created by the Lex Luthor from a pocket universe, which itself was created by the Time Trapper. She got knocked out in the first fight with Doomsday and did not participate in all subsequent rematches. Kara herself would not fight Doomsday until "New Krypton", when she and Clark fought Doomsday and tried to take him off Earth, when all the other Kryptonians attacked and killed him.

[C-Dot]

Kara didn't exist in the Post Crisis era. Not until Superman #200 changed history and allowed "Public Enemies" and "The Supergirl From Krypton" to introduce her in the DCU. The only Kara Zor-El that existed was a ghostly apparition that only Deadman could see. The other Supergirl, was the Matrix Supergirl created by the Lex Luthor from a pocket universe, which itself was created by the Time Trapper. She got knocked out in the first fight with Doomsday and did not participate in all subsequent rematches. Kara herself would not fight Doomsday until "New Krypton", when she and Clark fought Doomsday and tried to take him off Earth, when all the other Kryptonians attacked and killed him.

Err....Kara very much existed Post-Crisis long before "Public Enemies". In Peter David's Supergirl run before the other Kara and Superboy's retcons/changes/etc.....

[Mat001]

That was a different Kara Zor-El. She wasn't from the main universe and you know that. She was from the Pre-Crisis universe and had been shunted to the Post Crisis universe, because of the Fatalist. But aside from that, there had not been a Kara Zor-El that was born on the Krypton that Superman came from. This was clear in "Man Of Steel" and all subsequent stories until Superman #200, which changed things.

[C-Dot]

That was a different Kara Zor-El. She wasn't from the main universe and you know that. She was from the Pre-Crisis universe and had been shunted to the Post Crisis universe, because of the Fatalist. But aside from that, there had not been a Kara Zor-El that was born on the Krypton that Superman came from. This was clear in "Man Of Steel" and all subsequent stories until Superman #200, which changed things.

You didn't say anything about "Kara from the main universe" though. You said Kara didn't exist Post-Crisis and the only Kara Zor-El was a ghost (which you could say that she still existed as a remnant of the Crisis and showed up in Linda's Supergirl's series as her angel). Let me break down the reading.

-I read the posts. Good to go back to the whole Death/Return era and not listen to guys who were 6 years old when it happened telling me how everyone thought it was bad.
-I saw "Kara didn't exist in the Post Crisis era". Thought that registered: Hold on now. She sure did exist Post-Crisis and was even in Post-Crisis Supergirl stories. Kept reading.
-Then read "Not until Superman #200 changed history and allowed "Public Enemies" and "The Supergirl From Krypton" to introduce her in the DCU". Thought: Nope. I'm pretty sure original Kara was reintroduced in the DCU long before this new Kara. Continued.
-Then read: "The only Kara Zor-El that existed was a ghostly apparition that only Deadman could see". Now this is what made me respond because that wasn't true. Besides Kara showing up in Supergirl as Linda's spirit/guardian angel/etc. that Linda communicated with, there was Many Happy Returns. Was done on purpose to bring back the original Kara into the DCU (for sales). Even was set up for Kara to be in a series with Linda as Superwoman and Power Girl if it continued.

If you said "Kara from Post Crisis Superman's Krypton didn't exist", then I wouldn't have said anything. But that wasn't said and the "the only Kara that existed" thing lead to response.

[Mat001]

Oh, come on! You knew what I meant.

[Lorendiac]

You didn't say anything about "Kara from the main universe" though. You said Kara didn't exist Post-Crisis and the only Kara Zor-El was a ghost (which you could say that she still existed as a remnant of the Crisis and showed up in Linda's Supergirl's series as her angel). Let me break down the reading.

-I read the posts. Good to go back to the whole Death/Return era and not listen to guys who were 6 years old when it happened telling me how everyone thought it was bad.
-I saw "Kara didn't exist in the Post Crisis era". Thought that registered: Hold on now. She sure did exist Post-Crisis and was even in Post-Crisis Supergirl stories. Kept reading.
-Then read "Not until Superman #200 changed history and allowed "Public Enemies" and "The Supergirl From Krypton" to introduce her in the DCU". Thought: Nope. I'm pretty sure original Kara was reintroduced in the DCU long before this new Kara. Continued.
-Then read: "The only Kara Zor-El that existed was a ghostly apparition that only Deadman could see". Now this is what made me respond because that wasn't true. Besides Kara showing up in Supergirl as Linda's spirit/guardian angel/etc. that Linda communicated with, there was Many Happy Returns. Was done on purpose to bring back the original Kara into the DCU (for sales). Even was set up for Kara to be in a series with Linda as Superwoman and Power Girl if it continued.

If you said "Kara from Post Crisis Superman's Krypton didn't exist", then I wouldn't have said anything. But that wasn't said and the "the only Kara that existed" thing lead to response.

Ah, the memories this brings back. It used to be that at fairly regular intervals I'd see threads (on this site or others) with confused fans asking such questions as: "Hey! Just how many different Supergirls have there been, anyway? What happened to the ones who aren't doing anything in the comic books right now? Why can't DC pick one version of 'Supergirl' and stick to it like glue?" And so forth.

I finally started trying to provide one-stop shopping for such questions by researching all I could on the subject in a valiant effort to "clarify things." A few years ago I updated and posted my latest draft of a master list of the first appearances (and "last appearances," if they died) of everybody who's ever appeared in a DC comic book that was somehow "connected to continuity" and who called herself "Kara," and/or "Supergirl," and/or "Superwoman," and/or "Power Girl," and/or other relevant varations (such as "Super-Lois" and "Super-Lana"). With notes on how some of those characters (such as the blond ghost whom Deadman once chatted with) might or might not be the same person as one or more of the "other" characters on my list!

The results of my research are still available at: Timeline of First and Final Appearances of Every Supergirl, Superwoman, Etc. (5th Draft)