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    I like to think Lobdell's work has overwritten that mini. I can do without Talia and Jason bedding.

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    I tried explaining that Superboy Prime "reality punch" to a non-comic book reader.

    He said it was one of the stupidest things he'd ever heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Duke View Post
    I tried explaining that Superboy Prime "reality punch" to a non-comic book reader.

    He said it was one of the stupidest things he'd ever heard.
    All the actual readers thought it was one of the stupidest things too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Holmes View Post
    I like to think Lobdell's work has overwritten that mini. I can do without Talia and Jason bedding.
    Me too. I never cared for that aspect of the story myself any more than I cared for the Prime Punch explanation of how Jason came back to life.

    Quote Originally Posted by EMeadow View Post
    All the actual readers thought it was one of the stupidest things too.
    It certainly was one of the stupidest explanations I've heard for a character's resurrection, which is why I ignored it for the most part. I actually prefer the Lazarus pit explanation over it and I don't really care for that one either as I think leaving the "how" of Jason's resurrection a mystery is more suitable than having an actual reason for it happening. But that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMeadow View Post
    All the actual readers thought it was one of the stupidest things too.
    Sadly that seems to be a trend that has arisen in comics over the last few years.

    I suspect that a conversation regarding Marvel will probably go something like this.

    "Hey Dave, the reason why all the Marvel characters were behaving so wildly out of character is because they were kidnapped and replaced by Skrulls (an alien race) back in the 70s"
    "That's even stupider than that *#@~witted reality punch idea. Why do you still read comics for anyway?"
    "To escape from the hellish reality that surrounds me."
    "You should get someone to punch it if you want to change it so much."
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    The REAL answer to the thread title's question is that Judd Winick wanted to bring Jason back, and Bob Schreck and Dan Didio let him do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonTodd428 View Post
    It certainly was one of the stupidest explanations I've heard for a character's resurrection
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevink31593 View Post
    The REAL answer to the thread title's question is that Judd Winick wanted to bring Jason back, and Bob Schreck and Dan Didio let him do it.
    Yup, the real answer is he came back via hack writing and poor editorial decision making.

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    It was some damn good hack writing. Better than most Batman stories of that decade (minus Morrison's run).

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    Yeah, one of the things I liked about the majority of Under the Hood was how uninterested Jason was in the method of his return. He was back. The End.

    Personally, I liked the motherly relationship Judd was suggesting before it went all Oedipal thanks to Judd's tendency to think the answer to personal problems in fiction is usually going to be sex. Lobdell kept the matriarchal aspect in, and I was really hoping that RHATO would focus more on the Al Ghul's general involvement with Jason. The Under the Red Hood movie did a very good job of giving Ra's a reason for resurrecting Todd, and I was really hoping we'd get to see the subtext of Talia training Jason with an eye towards her plans for Damian.
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    The Al Ghuls might have been hands off because of Inc. Morrison tends to be kind of spontaneous and unpredictable in his plotting, and it's already happened quite a bit where people end up contradicting his plans because of that.

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    To add even more confusion, First came the punch and Talia with the pit. Then Professor Zoom changed the timeline so the Flash seemed to have never existed yet he was still alive. Then the Flash attempts to set the timeline right but gets several things slightly wrong and creates the New 52 timeline without Superman's punch. Next comes several years of waiting (and hoping!) for another time traveler to actually set things right again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batfan1971 View Post
    To add even more confusion, First came the punch and Talia with the pit. Then Professor Zoom changed the timeline so the Flash seemed to have never existed yet he was still alive. Then the Flash attempts to set the timeline right but gets several things slightly wrong and creates the New 52 timeline without Superman's punch. Next comes several years of waiting (and hoping!) for another time traveler to actually set things right again.
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