Earth 2 #8 Discussion/Spoilers

[Jason456701]

So the new Trinity of Earth 2 is female. Of whom two thirds aren't even on Earth 2. Let's assume however that there are plans for PG and Hunts to eventually get back, and Fury to turn good.

So if that happens, there will be the new Trinity on Earth 2. Which means that Robinson gained exactly nothing from killing off the old one. They'd still be the problem with the JSA being overshadowed. Especially since two of the three were among the original marvels.

And those same two WERE JSA originals, and remain so in the minds of fans. If Robinson couldn't think of a way to not overshadow his new JSA while still having the Trinity around, why would a new Trinity even make sense.

I don't think that will be a problem though true the original trinity of Earth 2 now all have legacies but at least to me the trinity are the heroes that inspire the other heroes around them you don't get in just because your related to so and so. The trinity for Earth 2 now is GL, Flash, and Hawkgirl and even if PG and Huntress do make it back they aren't there mentors by a longshot at the moment so absolutely no chance at them overshadowing unless you count Flash probably being a fanboy to them.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Yeah, I think this "Trinity" thing is being over-thought. From what I recall of the original Earth-2 from the time before Crisis, there was no "Superman-Batman-Wonder Woman" trinity. Earth-2 was home of the JSA, which just happened to also have a Superman, a Batman, and a Wonder Woman. But there was no "trinity" dominance of that Earth. In fact, if you read the first JLA/JSA crossover, the "trinity" doesn't even appear, and only Wonder Woman is even mentioned. And let's not forget that by the 1970s, the Earth-2 Batman was dead.

I like that each of the Big 3 has a "legacy" on this Earth (though two of them are off-Earth right now), but they're still avoiding the Big-3 dominance. I think that was the subtle point of issue 1: yes, this Earth had a Superman, a Batman, and a Wonder Woman. They're all dead now. This book isn't about them.

...though I would like to know where the Earth-2 Dick Grayson is. I mean, Robinson is carrying over all the classic Earth-Two characters in some form, even if he's changed their race, sex, or sexual orientation. It'd be nice if an older Dick Grayson showed up somewhere, albeit in a better costume than this one.

[bat39]

I thought this was a great issue. Not a lot happened really, but it was a perfect intro to a character everyone had been anticipating for quiet a while...

With regards to Fury's parentage, I don't really recall Robinson mentioning whether or not she's Steve Trevor's daughter. If its meant to be the same character as Pre-COIE Fury (and not a new character with the same name), I think its very likely she IS Trevor's daughter. Much like how Huntress is still Bruce and Selina's daughter, and Power Girl is still Superman's cousin...they haven't messed up the parentage of the other two, so I don't see why this one should be an exception.

Didn't Robinson suggest that Fury would actually be out to AVENGE Wonder Woman's death back when he first started making hints about the 'last Amazon'? Is Fury aware that Steppenwolf killed her mother? Has she been brainwashed, or just led astray? And will her discovery of the true circumstances of her mother's death be what drives her to seek vengeance against Steppenwolf and switch sides?

[Jay!]

I don't think there was much thought to a pre-Crisis Earth-2 trinity until there wasn't one. When they were wiped out, that's when everyone took notice. DC's always had a big three because Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are the only ones to carry a title from the golden age to the present. They've always been recognized for that.

[Schnitzy Pretzelpants]

I think it's going to go in that direction because DC is under the delusion that GRIMDARK SELLS and ONLY GRIMDARK SELLS. So they're not going to offer anything but GRIMDARK. So I probably won't even be reading much longer. (Forget buying!)

Thing is, it isn't just GRIMDARK, it's that specific bland and rinse-lather-repeat GRIMDARK of the 1990's that is being is thrown at us, which to me isn't real grim or real dark.

It's more a case of fanboy type writing where it feels like the subtext is 'Look at this! Isn't this totally cool!?'

Kind of the equivalent of having a waiter repeatedly shouting 'Who wants ice cream!?' when what you really want is a decent and edifying meal.

[NinjaMic]

If you could get through the amount of words in The Shade, you can get through this.


Surely you all read The Shade.....right?

[LoneNecromancer]

I think it's going to go in that direction because DC is under the delusion that GRIMDARK SELLS and ONLY GRIMDARK SELLS. So they're not going to offer anything but GRIMDARK. So I probably won't even be reading much longer. (Forget buying!)

In what way has Earth 2 been grimdark? I could see it for the first issue where the heroes die, but that's about it.

And yeah, every other book out there is grimdark. Frankly, I'm sick of idiotic and blatantly untrue comments like this. You know, ONLY GRIMDARK SELLS? Well you see, all it really takes is one example to prove you wrong. Action Comics. There. Done. But no, once you've made your mind up, that's it. It's not about that there's plenty other stuff out there that proves you wrong, it's that you don't want to be wrong so you have an excuse to go on hating DC.

[mego joe]

If you could get through the amount of words in The Shade, you can get through this.


Surely you all read The Shade.....right?

The Shade was awesome. Earth 2...not so much.

[gwydion]

In what way has Earth 2 been grimdark? I could see it for the first issue where the heroes die, but that's about it.

Well, not to get in between you two, but you have been reading the same book I have, right?

If there's a light and happy book, this is it's evil anti-matter universe twin. Let's see, Alan's lover who we're supposed to care about except we don't because he was killed off before he uttered much more than ten words. Along with a train load of people. Untold thousands killed by Grundy. Millions killed and whole countries wiped out...and that was by a good guy. Another hero murdering like it was going out of fashion. Need I go on?

[gwangung]

Well, not to get in between you two, but you have been reading the same book I have, right?

If there's a light and happy book, this is it's evil anti-matter universe twin. Let's see, Alan's lover who we're supposed to care about except we don't because he was killed off before he uttered much more than ten words. Along with a train load of people. Untold thousands killed by Grundy. Millions killed and whole countries wiped out...and that was by a good guy. Another hero murdering like it was going out of fashion. Need I go on?

Please, proceed.

What you cite is quite consistent with the Golden Age (the train wreck is EXACTLY like the Golden Age, deaths and all). What applies here should apply to the Golden Age, which this book is a reiteration of.

[Sk8maven]

What you cite is quite consistent with the Golden Age (the train wreck is EXACTLY like the Golden Age, deaths and all). What applies here should apply to the Golden Age, which this book is a reiteration of.

Not exactly. The train wreck wasn't a passenger train in the Golden Age origin story, it was a test train with a skeleton crew - just people who'd been building the bridge and the tracks, people who knew there might be some risks to the test. The wreck was intentional, deliberate sabotage by the owner of a rival construction company, and within the first story Alan had found out who was responsible and forced him to confess - scaring him so badly in the process that he dropped dead of a heart attack (which was not Alan's intention). There was justice of a sort, and there was closure, and Alan could and did move on from there.

I don't know if we'll ever get closure for the NuEarth-2 version - certainly not at the present pace of storytelling.

[El Sombrero]

I thought this issue was alright. I liked the background for Steppenwolf and Fury, and the action scenes were presented well, but it felt kind of light on content compared to most other issues of this title...would have liked a scene or two with the regular cast or something. Also, Cinar's art really suffered with the different inkers. It looked better last issue with the regular inker (Trevor Scott).

[Den]

One of the weaker issues in a mostly awesome series. I keep thinking it could have covered this in half the page space and let us keep up with our heroes at the same time. Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by Fury's premise, but despite having a whole issue about her (and her boss) I feel like I haven't really been told anything I couldn't have learned in two panels or so. The issue is ok, but compared to the usual quality, it came as a bit of a let down for me.

[dupersuper]

I don't see why she should be less powerful than Diana just because her father was human, if we follow the current book the Amazons also have human blood and they're not weaker for that.

Are Azzerellos Amazons all supposed to be as strong as Wonder Woman?

I'll read it again, but I was a little disappointed in this issue. I've loved the series up to now, but it seemed so predictable and a long setup for such an obvious outcome. Steppenwolf looks like one of Robinson's "too perfect" characters, like Shade, Outsider and Prometheus. It worked for Shade, but I didn't like how he handled the other two.

I didn't like how he handled anything in Cry for Justice, and would certainly never think of Prometheus as a Robinson character.