It's art work and it's replaced my Bible and/or copy of Brief History of the Universe
It's really top notch stuff
It's pretty good
It's pretty bad
It really should be thrown away
I'm ready to lay seige on the DC Headquarters to get my money back
There ain't no teens watching Teen Titans Go.
I'm enjoying the hell out of it. All the call-backs to past Joker shenanigans.
I think Snyder has the voice and patter of Joker down perfectly. I can hear Hammil speaking those lines in my head as I read them.
The art is about always a joy to look at.
I think the whole team has been killing it on this title, and especially on this story arc. It hasn't disappointed yet.
Only caveat I can think of is that I forget what's happening in the storyline month to month. This is more because I've yet to reread any issues.
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I love DOTF in Batman. I am kind of tired of all of these freaking crossovers though.
Just hanging onto the wing would have been tough enough to buy, but fighting 400mph winds PLUS the suction of the engine intake made suspension of disbelief completely impossible.
Lobdell is basically the opposite of Snyder. The latter does much more refined work, but his plotting is mundane with pretentions of doing something special. Ultimately the reason I haven't abandoned superhero comics in my adulthood is because I like the energy and creativity in the genre, something Lobdell delivers on.
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I can't disagree more, Superboy's initial issues were fantastic until Culling. By far the most interesting take on the character.
But anyway, Snyder's writing is more refined and skilled, but it's his story/direction and characters I can't stand. A lot of his characterizations are done through hamfisted and try-hard-to-be-deep monologues and heavy handed metaphors - "You know what Owls do to Bats, " "King Batman," etc. this stuff just gets repeated over and over ad nausem. Lobdell's character work is much more nuanced despite his outdated Claremont-ish dialogue.
Snyder's Batman is utterly incompetent and unfortunately he gets pass for it cause fans end up justifying it by saying"it's not Batgod" so Snyder ends up getting undeserved praise for writing a more human Batman.
Snyder's Batman couldn't even accept the possibility of the Court even existing...LOL WUT? Batman shouldn't be a Batgod but he shouldn't fall prey to the same tactics and dismiss even the possibility of someone or something existing.
He does repeat his metaphors but his characterization of Batman is refreshing as he took the whole "I'M THE GODDAMN BATMAN AND I KNOW EVERYTHING!!" and used it as a fault of the character. Arrogance withstanding, he still writes him as pretty smart and as a detective.But anyway, Snyder's writing is more refined and skilled, but it's his story/direction and characters I can't stand. A lot of his characterizations are done through hamfisted and try-hard-to-be-deep monologues and heavy handed metaphors - "You know what Owls do to Bats, " "King Batman," etc. this stuff just gets repeated over and over ad nausem. Lobdell's character work is much more nuanced despite his outdated Claremont-ish dialogue.
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2) The Court of Owls also has immense combined intellect, resources, and connections, plus they spent centuries trying to remain hidden. A century of practice surely could make them pretty good at it. Plus they were there before Batman, even Bruce, so it's not like they needed to mobilize like other villains. They were part of Gotham before him, so he wouldn't really be able to notice any change with something that was already there and well established.
3) But superheroes have existed for centuries in that universe. It's completely understood and known that they exist. The Court of Owls was essentially a story. Like Jack and the Beanstalk, or Little Red Riding Hood. If you saw Superman flying around tomorrow, would you suddenly think either of those fairy tales are real?
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I really like DotF thus far (and I REALLY loved the back ups in relation to DotF, especially the Riddler one). I only have really 2 complaints about this. The first is that this is a story that would have easily made significantly more sense pre-Flashpoint than it makes in the DCnU. You do not really get the idea that they are a close "family" in the DCnU. Other than a few relationships (such as Bruce and Dick & Bruce and Damian), you do not have a real grasp of what the relationship is here. You can't assume that the relationships are the same as they were before because, evidently, they aren't (as the case of Tim and Jason highlights).
The other complaint I had was in regards to the crossovers, and its a weird complaint. In comparison to Night of the Owls, the crossovers here are significantly better. NotO only had one crossover that I would have honestly said was really good (Nightwing). Here, every one of the crossovers I read was at LEAST good (...except Catwoman). The complaint here is that none of the crossovers actually works within the narrative and the only thing they really accomplish, is making Joker omnipotent given when they had to have happened. This is one of the rare cases where I still actually enjoyed the crossovers (by themselves) yet think this would have been one of the cases where the role of these characters would have been better if it was just self contained within Batman (especially since all these crossovers end saying to read Batman 17).
Pull List: (Marvel) Daredevil, Gambit, Hawkeye, Ultimate Comics Spider-Man, Uncanny X-Men/Avengers, Indestructible Hulk, Young Avengers (DC) Nightwing, Batman, Wonder Woman, Animal Man, JL