How powerful is Apocalypse really?

[Clark_Krunk]

Look, i do respect you X but seriously the only reason Doom has all that is due to hands off status that he given by most writers his bad assery level is maintained by marvel wanting to always use him as the end all be all of ultimate danger villains. Quite honestly if there was an unbias writer in the house this could have been beaten by Reed, Strange or Tchalla, and possibly Stark many times over, and yes i know where you stand on the Doomwar issue...?? funny even with a title hero the series was given his name! you think that was by accident? yes Apocalypse can beat Doom. Like i sadi though your good peoples and yes Poccy has been dealt with a few times like silly crack ho and they were funny!

Wrong on every level...

you still have stated not 1 single feat apoc has ever done... Face it, hes a jobber of higher end villans...

In DC comics hed be Lex's errand boy.

[Dkrook]

Wrong on every level...

you still have stated not 1 single feat apoc has ever done... Face it, hes a jobber of higher end villans...

In DC comics hed be Lex's errand boy.

just because you havent read good doesnt mean it not true, it's you that needs topost something to back up all barking that you're doing. you havent stated one fact that i can hold as valid.

[XPac]

Look, i do respect you X but seriously the only reason Doom has all that is due to hands off status that he given by most writers his bad assery level is maintained by marvel wanting to always use him as the end all be all of ultimate danger villains. Quite honestly if there was an unbias writer in the house this could have been beaten by Reed, Strange or Tchalla, and possibly Stark many times over, and yes i know where you stand on the Doomwar issue...?? funny even with a title hero the series was given his name! you think that was by accident? yes Apocalypse can beat Doom. Like i sadi though your good peoples and yes Poccy has been dealt with a few times like silly crack ho and they were funny!

That's kind of the point though. It's a fictionaly universe. And if the writers of that fictional universe decide pretty much across the board that he's the end all beall of ultimate danger villains, then he is.

Which again is why I don't think you can assume just because Doom can do something, any villain can. He's not any villain. He's THE villain.

[Clark_Krunk]

just because you havent read good doesnt mean it not true, it's you that needs topost something to back up all barking that you're doing. you havent stated one fact that i can hold as valid.

I already did. yet you keep ignoring it...

Doom in Infinity Crusade is more badass and does more feats than anything Apoc has ever been shown to do..

Plus the Beyonder, I mean I can go on if you want...

And silver surfer would also crush Apoc...

and like I said Lex would make Apoc look like a total horses ass in DC.....

[Coal Tiger]

The most popular alternate reality story of all time is one where Apocalypse takes over the world. I think that puts him on a pretty high level. At least in-universe he's treated like a pretty big deal.

[Nefarius]

Apocalypse has potentials,but lazy writing(mostly about his powerset)and convoluted storylines ruined him.He was made far too strong with way too complicated schemes and yet he loses from a bunch of mutants.But,early Apocalypse from X-Factor was quite an interesting foe.His battle with Loki,where the God of Mischief barely managed to escape was interesting both as presenting how big of a foe is,powerwise and intellectually and mostly a foe with interesting motive(he wanted to elevate mankind and mutantkind so gods like Loki would never dare to pose a threat).

[Emissary of Justice]

Omega level mutants like Magneto and Iceman should be able to do the same..

Small problem, Magneto isn't an Omega level mutant.

But for the Avengers, they'd mop the floor with him.

Is that why they've teamed up with the X-Men to stop him?

World Breaker Hulk steps in front of Apocalypse, prep time or not, Hulk finishes him almost instantly.. legit punches his head off within seconds flat.

That version of the Hulk beats about every non-Skyfather Earth based character. Head off though? No.

And isn't Cable supposed to be Apocalypses arc nemesis, I mean if Cable could theoretically beat him the Hulk could beat him as well. And Cable defeating the Hulk is a fucking insult to the Hulk character.

Do you have any idea how powerful Cable actually is?

Seeking to destroy Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister sought to combine the other two most powerful genetic lines on the planet: Summers and Grey (both possess Omega potential). He cloned Jean Grey after she died just to have a second chance at pulling that off.

There's a reason his power is nerfed through the techno-organic virus and Nate Grey was sent away then depowered.

[XPac]

Apocalypse has potentials,but lazy writing(mostly about his powerset)and convoluted storylines ruined him.He was made far too strong with way too complicated schemes and yet he loses from a bunch of mutants.But,early Apocalypse from X-Factor was quite an interesting foe.His battle with Loki,where the God of Mischief barely managed to escape was interesting both as presenting how big of a foe is,powerwise and intellectually and mostly a foe with interesting motive(he wanted to elevate mankind and mutantkind so gods like Loki would never dare to pose a threat).

His battle with Loki I think is a pretty good guage of the characters power level.

They battled somewhat to a draw, until Poccy got the edge with a bit of help from Caliban if I'm not mistaken. Though Loki eventually over powers Poccys Celestial tech and leaves. All around I'd say that was mostly a draw.

So maybe we can say he's roughly about as powerful as Loki.

[Juggernaut Punch]

Like I stated clear as day, Apoc has literally no feats at all. NONE!!!!

Are you serious? You seem to be backing up your statements with nothing other than "Apocalypse is a shitty character" which doesn't fly here.

http://marvel.wikia.com/En_Sabah_Nur_(Earth-616)#Powers

He has an intellect on par with Doom and Richards (if not higher) and has technology that puts theirs to shame. He can shrug off a scream from Black Bolt combined with attacks from the Inhumans and X-Factor like it's nothing, while a whisper from Skrull Black Bolt sent the Green Scar flying. He has an extremely broken power set.

He's not some dimestore tyrant that dreams of world domination, he has a set purpose. To ensure human evolution and make sure that the strong survive and are allowed to flourish. He's done a pretty good job so far, seeing as how Earth is still around and hasn't been destroyed by the Celestials.

[XPac]

Are you serious? You seem to be backing up your statements with nothing other than "Apocalypse is a shitty character" which doesn't fly here.

http://marvel.wikia.com/En_Sabah_Nur_(Earth-616)#Powers

He has an intellect on par with Doom and Richards (if not higher) and has technology that puts theirs to shame. He can shrug off a scream from Black Bolt combined with attacks from the Inhumans and X-Factor like it's nothing, while a whisper from Skrull Black Bolt sent the Green Scar flying. He has an extremely broken power set.

He's not some dimestore tyrant that dreams of world domination, he has a set purpose. To ensure human evolution and make sure that the strong survive and are allowed to flourish. He's done a pretty good job so far, seeing as how Earth is still around and hasn't been destroyed by the Celestials.

I don't think it's fair to say Poccy's tech puts Reed or Doom to shame.

Poccy's tech failed to contain Loki. But Reed and Doom both have tech feats which put high end cosmics to shame. No one has proven to have tech which puts Doom or Reed to shame. They have the best tech feats in marvel, and arguably the best tech feats in all of comics.

[Juggernaut Punch]

I don't think it's fair to say Poccy's tech puts Reed or Doom to shame.

Poccy's tech failed to contain Loki. But Reed and Doom both have tech feats which put high end cosmics to shame. No one has proven to have tech which puts Doom or Reed to shame. They have the best tech feats in marvel, and arguably the best tech feats in all of comics.

I'd say there are loads of alien scientists with stuff far beyond Doom and Reed. The Celestial tech ought to be beyond anything they've made, but I''ll cede the point since I can't really prove anything. It's undeniable that Apocalypse has a far better understanding of genetics, mutation and genetic engineering than anyone else on Earth though. His Horsemen are a testament to that.

[PwrdOff]

Apocalypse might be a great villain on paper, but he's not exactly going to strike fear in anyone's heart, not with his terrible dialogue and cheesy appearance. I thought the finest example of how he should be used in WatXM, where he was just teased as this huge threat at the end of the show but never actually appeared. When he actually does show up and, god forbid, open his mouth, you can't help but laugh at the dude.

[Dark Phoenix]

Wrong on every level...

you still have stated not 1 single feat apoc has ever done... Face it, hes a jobber of higher end villans...

In DC comics hed be Lex's errand boy.

Well, it's quite clear you are not an Apocalypse fan..lol.
You are citing all these canon references why Poccy isn't in the same league as the Hulk but when presented with the fact that he had Hulk on a leash, suddenly you dismiss it as not valid?
Then why can't your reasoning be dismissed as whimsy. None of your examples actually include Apocalypse, just that Character X did this and I don't think Apocalypse can counter that. But he actually did control Hulk in actual issues. So if we are using canon to prove a point, until we see Hulk smash Apocalypse on a printed page, it stands that he can not only defeat the Hulk but make him his servant as well.

In upcoming issues of Uncanny Avengers, we will see how Thor fared against him in ancient times.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

The problem with Apocalypse is, he is far more awesome in other media then he is the comics. In both X-Men TAS and X-Men Evolution he has presented as being more powerful then he was in the comics. In video games he comes off as more proactive, in X-Men Legends II he managed to conquer NYC and parts of Canada. Also his greatest feats in the comics were in age of Apocalypse, which has nothing to do with 616 Apocalypse. So people think Apocalypse is awesome because of what they see in cartoons and video games, but in the comics he is a disappointment.

[BraveSirRobin]

Apocalypse is kind of a victim of his own success. In Age Of Apocalypse, he'd won, completely and totally. No Avengers, no non-mutant heroes of any kind, even the X-Men were hanging on, they were never going to actually win. Then a cosmic shuffle later and we're back to square one. How do you top conquering the entire planet? You can't without going cosmic, and that's not really what the X-men are about anyway.

In the cartoons though, he never actually succeeded, which actually made him more potentially dangerous, as there was always the possibility with his powers and celestial tech that he would just come back stronger.