I'm just not enjoying H'el on Earth...

[WilliamMcGuire]

I think the bigger problem with the "don't buy it" line of reasoning is that it's an easy way to dismiss anyone's complaints about the title, which would be fine, if this wasn't a discussion board for Superman comics. When you say, "If you don't like it, don't buy it." you are implicitly arguing that negative criticism of the book is not welcome here.

[shadow knight]

Except for the LL issue the H'el on Earth storyline has beeen underwhelming.

[Mr. Holmes]

I think the bigger problem with the "don't buy it" line of reasoning is that it's an easy way to dismiss anyone's complaints about the title, which would be fine, if this wasn't a discussion board for Superman comics. When you say, "If you don't like it, don't buy it." you are implicitly arguing that negative criticism of the book is not welcome here.

I would agree with that idea, but honestly, I hate this notion of people saying they will buy Superman or they will buy Batman no matter what. It's the reason the industry is so dire.

[doolbnoom]

i've finally sunk my teeth into this story, reading issue after issue (in order as listed, of course). i'm at Supergirl #15- halfway through, took a break to read some other stuff. i'm enjoying the story very much so far. i think we'll learn that H'el is some leftover "sentient" programming from some debris from Krypton.

the only time DeFalco went a bit askew was in the 1st Superboy ish- when he started referring to past "issues" (literally) and characters we may or may not really know about.
second Superboy ish was just fine, he's a good writer.

[AJBopp]

As hard as it is to "just say no", dissatisfied customers should vote with their wallet instead of supporting things they don't like. But I totally agree with you that nobody should be telling people they don't have a right to complain about their purchases.

I would also argue that no one should be telling people they don't have a right to complain about things they have not purchased but involve characters they are passionate about.

[Ntikrst]

I would also argue that no one should be telling people they don't have a right to complain about things they have not purchased but involve characters they are passionate about.

I wouldn't disagree, as WilliamMcGuire pointed out,

I think the bigger problem with the "don't buy it" line of reasoning is that it's an easy way to dismiss anyone's complaints about the title, which would be fine, if this wasn't a discussion board for Superman comics. When you say, "If you don't like it, don't buy it." you are implicitly arguing that negative criticism of the book is not welcome here.

[kingaliencracker]

I think the main problems with the storyline is that there's no real legitimate threat to the main characters involved, and H'el is coming across as "Generic Kryptonian Villain of the Week". You feel like once it's concluded, everything immediately following it will move on as if it never really happened in the first place. Therefore, it's hard to get too vested in it.

In contrast, "Death of the Family" is building up to be something quite suspensful and is giving you the feeling that there are going to be long lasting repercussions to the Bat Family by its conclusion.

[Sacred Knight]

I don't get that feeling at all. Superman #0 set it up in fact so that it left one with the distinct feeling that this storyline is leading somewhere and will have repercussions.

Its not trying so incredibly hard to be epic and defining as DoTF is...but I consider that a good thing at this point.

[Mr. Holmes]

H'El has been kind of generic, but it's clear the plot is more secondary to characters getting together and playing off each other.

And yeah the fact that it's not trying to be "epic, definitive, ultimate" Batman story like everything Snyder does is why I'm enjoying it.

[thwhtGuardian]

H'El has been kind of generic, but it's clear the plot is more secondary to characters getting together and playing off each other.

And yeah the fact that it's not trying to be "epic, definitive, ultimate" Batman story like everything Snyder does is why I'm enjoying it.

That's largely why I think I'm enjoying it as well, the fact that the story isn't going to take half a year to tell is a bonus as well.

[Superlad93]

The world will find out about Superman's FOS and we'll see how it's taken.

Superboy now has a relationship with Superman

We'll see the aftermath of Supergirl's life

We'll see all of the time travel stuff

Superman having to come to terms with the idea that he may be slacking in the power department and could be doing more.

H'el will be showing up in more DC books outside of the Super world.

lots of stuff happening.

[Aquacatlungfish]

Its not trying so incredibly hard to be epic and defining as DoTF is...but I consider that a good thing at this point.

Yeah I love how the Superman books are aiming for generic, boring, crossover mediocrity and hitting that bar perfectly. I despise effort.

But hey it's better than the Culling so I'll give it deserves an award for being the least shittest thing DeFalco has been involved in for quite some time. YAY!

[Auguste Dupin]

Yeah I love how the Superman books are aiming for generic, boring, crossover mediocrity and hitting that bar perfectly. I despise effort.

But hey it's better than the Culling so I'll give it deserves an award for being the least shittest thing DeFalco has been involved in for quite some time. YAY!

Heh. At least, I understand what's going on.
I'm still trying to figure out what the Court was trying to do in Night of the Owls. Or why they tried to kill Lincoln March.

[Mr. Holmes]

Yeah I love how the Superman books are aiming for generic, boring, crossover mediocrity and hitting that bar perfectly. I despise effort.

Which is more than what i can say for Court of Owls and Nite of the Jokers.

[Aquacatlungfish]

Which is more than what i can say for Court of Owls and Nite of the Jokers.

Well for this "Nite of the Jokers" crossover I can't say much as I haven't read it but I will say that Death of the Family is "very good" which is less than I said about H'El on Earth and Court of Owls is also "very good".

Night of the Owls wasn't very good though. The only great tie ins was Nightwing and Red Hood (while it didn't add anything it was the usual fun you expect from the series), the rest were terrible. So I can say more about Night of the Owls than H'El on Earth.

I can understand people disliking Snyder's style though, it isn't for everyone but I have felt he puts all his heart into Batman and I can appreciate that so whilst the crossovers might be forced and crap I find the main story well done (Nightwing, Robin and Batgirl were surprisingly good though, especially considering how mediocre those books were before). This crossover just feels forced (it was talked about before Lobdell even came onto the series) and it shows. Lobdell and Rocafort work very well with each other but I thought 14 and 15 were weak coming from what I expect from the two of them. I high better hopes for the Krypton crossover because of the premise.