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    Default *nods to Siriel* Organization XIII (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Brionac (Wild ARMs 4)

    The forces of Brionac here word that a bunch of cloaked weirdos are appearing out of no where and stirring up trouble. The entire team is sent out to defeat them, including unofficial members. They do not get back-up from the military, though.

    Organization XIII is there looking for some hearts or whatever it is they like to do. As such, they go about terrorizing a small sea side village, where the battle will take place. This includes Roxas and Xion. They cannot, however, summon extra Nobodies to help.

    Which team takes this?
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    This is...somewhat bad for the Nobodies, as most of them lack cutscene feats, whereas Wild Arms 4's characters, and the latter members of Brionac in particular, loved showing off in cutscenes.

    That said, let's see...

    Lambda: The strongest guy on the field physically, doing stuff like swinging and throwing around a stone pillar at least three time his size (and wider than him too) after getting beaten so bad he has trouble standing up. A Future Veiled In Tears means that Zexion's illusions will do nothing against him and gives Brionac the advantage, team-work wise.

    Kresnik: Another dude stronger than the average Organization members physically. (Does stuff like knock back tanks by punching them with his fists.) Also he has distance attacks. However, since this is him back when he was with Brionac, he has a time-limit before his drugs run out and he falls apart. He also, perhaps fortunately, lacks the hilariously overpowered Accelerator that would allow Jude or Hauser to solo this.

    Farmel: Doesn't have much feats. She's a pretty good close-combat combatant with an unbreakable shield and is resilient enough to take a direct hit from Jude's ARM without being significantly damaged. Overall fairly irrelevant - the best thing for her is to do what she usually does and tank for Lambda.

    Jeremy: Has a high-powered gatling gun with effectively no recoil and is durable enough to have huge stone statues fall on him and not be significantly injured. Pretty big threat since none of the Nobodies are bullet-timers.

    Enil: No cutscene feats aside from shapeshifting, so largely irrelevant. In fact, she's in exactly the same boat as Zexion.

    Hugo: Ouch. System Chronos is broken as fuck and allows him to backstab anyone who isn't very careful and dodge pretty much everything. That said, he's lacking in both the offensive and defensive side of things and he'll probably go down in one hit from any of the Organization members and as both Raquel and Jude showed, his tactic kind of falls apart when against someone who can outreact him.

    Balgaine: Balgaine is freaking awesome. And given that he carries a chainsaw that cut through trains without slowing down, none of the Organization will want to melee with him. That said, he has no distance attacks and no super speed, and is thus at a disadvantage against a group where everyone can teleport.

    Augst: Totally irrelevant. Dude is a scientist.

    Scythe: Another nasty guy, who sadly lacks feats. Still, he has the ability to teleport himself and those around him. If he had shown his gameplay ability to teleport people at a distance, he'd be a huge threat, but as it is he's better off playing defensive and sticking close to Belial so he doesn't run out of juice. Sadly, he's kind of a dumbass and loves boasting, so odds are good he gets shot in the face or something.

    Belial: Basically a more powerful Scythe. Sadly, her best move (Forcibly bringing people into a pocket dimension that she can then collapse on them) is rendered utterly useless due to the fact that everyone in the Organization can teleport through dimensions.

    Heath: Is dead and thus has no feats.

    Gawn: Err...okay, Gawn is pretty nasty just because his shotguns are stupidly powerful in term of physical impact and he's also pretty strong, though nowhere near Lambda. Just a normal guy otherwise though.

    Fiore & Asia: Can teleport themselves and open portals from which weak monsters come out. Not very useful and again, they're kind of idiots.

    Now, Organization XIII: (Let's first note that they can all teleport via Corridors of Darkness.)

    Roxas & Xion: Largely interchangeable. Some degree of superstrength. If one of them dies, then this gets amped to the point where they can knock back giant monsters and take hits from same.

    Larxene: IIRC, showed blur speed in a cutscene. That's about it.

    Marluxia: Featless as far I know.

    Luxord: Can surround himself in cards, which does...something?

    Demyx: DANCE WATER DANCE! Largely featless though.

    Axel: Finally! Someone with feats! Can snap his fingers to set people on fire, which is kind of bad for most of Brionac as they aren't fireproof. Can also make walls of flame and can suicide himself for a huge AOE.

    Saix: Featless.

    Zexion: Can make himself look like other people. Which, combined with his teleportation, could be useful to backstab people...except A Future Veiled In Tears means that Lambda would notice and one-shot him if he tried that near him.

    Lexaeus: Can manhandle Riku, which would be pretty sweet if that had been Sora, but Riku has no strength feats aside from knocking the Beast on it's ass. So...yeah.

    Vexen: Featless.

    Xaldin: Telekinetically controlled lances go! Also can create pretty strong winds.

    Xigbar: Teleports more accurately and faster than the others, shoots people.

    Xemnas: And here is where Brionac is kind of...outclassed, in term of firepower. Xemnas has telekinesis powerful enough to lift entire buildings.


    Overall, I have to give the nod to Brionac - aside from Xemnas and maybe Axel's "set folks on fire" move, their feats put them as overall above Organization XIII, they have better teamwork and are mostly willing to die if Lambda orders it, so they can probably teamwork Xemnas to death (or Hugo might get him via System Chronos backstab) and then it's easy picking. So they probably lose a few people to Axel setting them on fire, Xigbar shooting them in the face and/or Xemnas TK'ing them to death, but they win.


    If we go into gameplay mechanics then it's much, much worse because Farmel + Balgaine or Farmel + Gawn or really Farmel + Just About Anyone can solo this because there's not a damn thing Organization XIII can do to break through Asgard - Citadel of the Gods.
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    Well, thinking back on it, Organization XIII's members do have the ability to pull other people into another dimension with them and while that rings them out too, they have superior numbers.

    The only issue is that that wouldn't really work on Hugo because System Chronos is silly.

    Hum...hard to say.

    Edit: No, wait, this is a scenario. Never mind, they wouldn't really do that in-character.
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    *claps*

    Well put, sir. Can't find anything to argue with there, but I thought it'd be pretty close, myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkerbob View Post
    *claps*

    Well put, sir. Can't find anything to argue with there, but I thought it'd be pretty close, myself.
    Well, in theory it would be, but the big game-changer is that where Kingdom Hearts focused entirely on gameplay, Wild Arms 4 also went out of it's way to show off Brionac's abilities in cutscenes. So that leaves most of Organization XIII pretty featless while Brionac only has Enil and maybe Scythe in the feat-screwed category.
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    I don't know anything about the others but I do know Orgnaization 13 so I might be able to fill in some blanks that weren't covered or just not thought of at the time. for example all Nobodies have inhanced strength but it seems porportional like we likely won't see Larxene lifting up a building with her hands.
    Xion:Xion can at least turn into one monster without the enhancement devices that were used during the final fights and can create a twister of light which holds you in place while it slices you repeatedly use darkness based projectiles raining down upon you.
    Roxas: Pillars of light which can be used with and without keyblades, emensely fast and deadly and can shoot balls of light at people at will no matter what you will be in pain and depending on how fast they react they could die in one attack done by roxas.
    Larxene: multiple lightning based attacks that are capable of beating Replicu with only one shot and he is a very durable monster considering what the darkness gave him. she also can create multiple speed clones all of which can attack you and even worse she can make lighting rain down upon you and how about her move teleport rush.
    Marluxia: ... Seriously this guy has a kind of Getsuga Tensho type move which if blocked turns into a massive wind storm which will catch people off guard and he is fast enough to cause after images to form as he moves and he can make lasers rain down from above you, catch you in a whirl wind which prevents you from moving away from an attack I think they can try to block the opponent though, he also has multiple forms and he also has two different forms of the Doom spell, a time limit and a hit counter and each form has inhanced power and abilities like lasers, flight, speed, duribility for form 2 and form three has a massive wind attack which can force people far back. and he can become intangible and project himself far away from where he is as shown when he lured Sora to Castle Oblivion make numerous clones or illusions of himself equally battle ready as him.
    Luxord: Pretty much covered but turning your enemies into weaker forms isn't that bad right and making them play your games (unless it is a game mechanic) makes it unavoidable. although he can even trap people in cards which would easily cut down their fighting force until they are ready to deal with their second wave.
    Demyx: Eh, overall useless but has potental with his water gyser wall barage and his water gyser boost to his speed and he can use water large suppresion rounds ... but still useless overall.
    Axel: Mostly covered.
    Saix: Very skilled and could recover from being blasted into the air from a Dark Flagara or whatever Riku used was shortly after sent into a wall and was held there only to Phase through with help of a well placed CoD which got him out and to another area into the castle.
    Zexion: Zexion can mimic people and their abilities ... this guy could turn into Xemnas and god help us. he can also clone himself, trap people in his book, and he can steal memories.
    Lexaeus: can become invincible by charging up his aura to a great degree although he can charge it to that level with minimal effort, he can also at that level jump high and fly down into the ground which causes am mini Xehanort effect with massive pillars shooting out of the ground hurting you, uses the earth as projectiles and in a similar manner to vexen when he uses his icy spikes and he can smash into the ceiling with a mere swing of his weapon throw his weapon and it comes back to him, very durable and strong and can manhandle Sora as well as Riku and Sora has multiple strength feats.
    Vexen: ... Featless? He creates replicas of people as often as he wishes on and off of the battle field which makes me think you didn't look that hard for this one. he uses ice to freeze people solid (will break out in a while but still, mostly the unbreakable shield and turning it into a massive almost unyielding Ice blade are his main combat abilities that and power floating.
    Xaldin: also his wind shield which is can't be breached via normal physical attacks this also include (I would think bullets) and his wind dragon.
    Xigbar: He can warp a battle field as he sees fit as shown in his boss fight can make his bullet rechoche off of the walls and ceilings and basically everywhere and he will not let people avoid his bullets and from what I noticed where there is empty space he can send his bullets there ... chest CAVITY he could send it there (likely won't but a posibility)
    Xemnas: Lasers that can come from everywhere, massive speedblizing capabilities, teleporting capabilities, Guard (to defend himself or box you in where he will shot you when you try to jump out touch it and you will be in immense pain as you are blasted back), 3 different life force stealing attacks (2 that can be used without KH) also has a barrier of darkness which prevents you from damaging him even if he stands there within the orb of darkness, flight, intangibility, memory probing ... He is God even without KH.

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