Is Batman Incorporated part of the current DCU continuity?

[JasonTodd428]

Ya know whatever. I can see your one of those people so I'll just shut my mouth now. I don't feel like getting into yet another circular argument with someone.

Also just because someone says they are ignoring something it doesn't necessarily follow that don't know what they are talking about or that they haven't at least made an attempt to read it. I've read a great deal of Morrison's work in the past and there are even parts of it that I love and I've tried both Inc (pre and post reboot) as well as Action. Just from those things alone I can tell something is off with his current work and I think it boils down to his disinterest in superhero comics. So my opinion is based no more than just "listening" on forums although it was that "listening" that prompted me to go back and look at those things I had read before and to make my comparison.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I just view it as the last pre-New 52 story. I just assumed everyone else did as well.

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As I've said in a variety of other threads, it was supposed to continue to be a pre-New 52/New Earth story per Morrison. But I think Didio (and/or his superiors) didn't like that idea and decided for it to "officially" be part of the New 52/Prime Earth. Not that that really matters b/c...

Here's how I've been reading it: Batman, Incorporated is set in a separate continuity from the New 52, but everything happening in the book is also happening in the New 52. We're just not seeing the New 52 version of events in the book.

qft.

I think the thing ppl need to remember is that the old (confirmed to be in-continuity) stories still happened, just differently (even if identical, they're still different...kinda...metaphysics is a tough subject). All the Johns GL stuff happened. Just differently from what we read in the comic. Same for all the Batman stuff and whatever else has been confirmed to be in-continuity. Batman Inc happened on both New Earth and Prime Earth. But they aren't the exact same. And I think Morrison is really portraying the New Earth version.

Other books have referred to Batman Inc. The events of all the Bat series don't always have to happening at the same time anyway. It takes several month for one arc to happen so in the course of several months, events of the different series could happen one after the other.

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[kolejorg]

I do read newspapers, and I subscribe to 45 of the 52 dc books. I enjoy all of the batman books except Inc, and all the supermanfamily books except action. Morrison just isn't clicking with anything else right now. I wish he was but he's not. I enjoyed his first batman run, but this isn't working. I respect the opinions of those that like his work and follow him no matter what, but his preachy super magic worldview has made his comics a bit odd.

[DrSimonHurt]

I do read newspapers, and I subscribe to 45 of the 52 dc books. I enjoy all of the batman books except Inc, and all the supermanfamily books except action. Morrison just isn't clicking with anything else right now. I wish he was but he's not. I enjoyed his first batman run, but this isn't working. I respect the opinions of those that like his work and follow him no matter what, but his preachy super magic worldview has made his comics a bit odd.

At least they aren't boring like 90% of comics out there today. The "marvel style" has polluted the comics gene pool. It's nothing but proxy fights and established characters trying to kill eachother. There are no super heroes left, and comics can just die if they want to push this metahuman conflict nonsense ahead of the basic story of saving lives and being a super hero.

Morrison still recognizes the super hero has a moral obligation.

Comics are supposed to help you escape the negatives in the world and inspire you. Anything different is masturbation. It is purposeless self-gratification for people who can't relate to the idea of a strong person protecting the weak.

[dupersuper]

I enjoyed Morrisons batman, up until Inc. I read it and buy it to have. But I don't enjoy it. His batman has turned into something very strange. But I guess I just don't enjoy anything morrison puts out for DC right now, especially Action Comics. He is too wrapped up in putting his personal crazy into the books. I don't need magic or extra dimensional voodoo in my bat books, or superman.

But...magic or extra dimensional voodoo have been in Superman for decades...and I don't remember any of it in Inc., while the stuff leading up to Inc that you said you liked had Bat-Mite, Darkseid, time travel...

[Dr. Hurt]

The real question is: Is everything besides Inc in Batman continuity?

Cause i like to pretend that it isnt. The new 52 has overall been great, but it really took a big toll on Batman. Like Holmes, when Morrison leaves i will stop reading Batman too. Which is a pity, because Damian is one of my favourite characters and his duo with Dick was one of the best things in comics ever. But hey... who doesnt like cookiecutter Batman stories?

[Fate's Faith]

I've found it much more enjoyable to just assume its not in continuity. I don't mind working some things out for myself and fitting pieces together. Did that back years ago when continuity wasn't this huge thing it is now and I wasn't buying everything to know for certain anyways. But INC seems to go out of its way to not fit. Like when I saw Jason and I'm thinking that's not anywhere near to what I'm seeing elsewhere. I figure they'll give it the lip service that its in continuity but they're never going to try to work with it or reference beyond some very vague methods.

[Nosed]

Does anyone else find this whole conversation ironic? Its like we're all forgetting one of the major themes of his run is that "every Batman story ever written counts.". Morrison has a great introduction to the Black Casebook tp explaining this. He admits that he has no idea whether any of this is "canon" or not. I'm not sure he understands why anyone would care. I'll never understand the comic fans obsession with canon and continuity. I'm much more interested in great writers and great artists telling great stories. Personally I love to think that Adam West Batman and Christopher Nolan Batman are the same person. That's something I never even considered before Morrison.

[DrSimonHurt]

You have to keep in mind that Morrison believes that super hero fiction is another muse. He believes he's literally influenced by cosmic forces, be they chaos gods or whatever, to create these things.

So for him, it's all true on a cosmic scale. I'm not sure Morrison even considers them fully fictional. He's kind of out there.

[Quinnhop]

You have to keep in mind that Morrison believes that super hero fiction is another muse. He believes he's literally influenced by cosmic forces, be they chaos gods or whatever, to create these things.

So for him, it's all true on a cosmic scale. I'm not sure Morrison even considers them fully fictional. He's kind of out there.

He fully understands that these characters are fictional. His response would just be, "so what if they are? Fiction is just as real as reality, because it's part of reality. The 2nd Dimension is incorporated in three dimensions, in four dimensions, in five dimensions, etc."

[Mr. Holmes]

It's like what Alan Moore has said about fiction and reality.

I would prefer a two-state solution. My basic premise is that human beings are amphibious, in the etymological sense of 'two lives'. We have one life in the solid material world that is most perfectly measured by science. Science is the most exquisite tool that we've developed for measuring that hard, physical, material world. Then there is the world of ideas which is inside our head. I would say that both of these worlds are equally real - they're just real in different ways. The concept of a world of ideas, yes it's intangible, it can't be repeated in a laboratory, but pretty much the evidence for it is all around us. In that, every detail of our clothing, our mindsets, of the buildings and the streets and cities that surround us - that started life as an idea in someone's head.

[DrSimonHurt]

I don't disagree with either of them, while I personally don't believe in tangible gods.

That said, what is the idea behind Alan Moore's beard? Is he trying to farm new hair for Grant Morrison?

[Quinnhop]

It's like what Alan Moore has said about fiction and reality.

Right, but with the addition that fiction also has a "hard, physical, material" dimension. It just happens to be paper and ink.

[Mr. Holmes]

Yeah I actually don't think Morrison's views on magic and fictional character interaction to be that weird. Like reading about how he formed King Mob, magic is basically a conditioning of his subconscious, like Tyler Durden from Fight Club. Fun stuff.