In my opinion, this stuff we're being given just isn't good enough.
"Mistah Joker, he dead."
I've been enjoying the crossovers. I think this crossover is far better than the Night of Owls Crossover with the other titles actually contributing to the main story.
I understand Joker's premise and think he is correct from his sick perspective. Part of the role of Robin is to keep Batman grounded and to help him maintain his moral principles. All in the Bat family have been trained to follow bruce's principles and belive in them so if he starts dancing around the line, they help pull him pack. Without them, he maybe would become more violent and enter the realm of being an anti-hero. I think that is what angers Joker, no matter how viiolent and grotesque Joker gets, Batman does not follow him down that demented path but sticks to his orginal principles. To that extent, Joker is just doing the same thing he always does, obsess over Batman and try to get him to kill.
That's what I find the most absurd. Why is the conclusion to Inc arriving approximately at the same time as DoTF? They contradict each other, and it just seems rather silly that Joker has taken control of the Bat family all while Talia and Bruce are at war with one another...
But will it make the Batman more efficient and Gotham's streets safer? No. But the Joker doesn't care about that, because their own battles would become so much better!
Basically, the Joker is the DC editors from the War Games times who thought that they had to get rid of Oracle because she made Batman's detective skills look bad.
"John Stewart. LAME! ...this guy having a ring is like giving the batmobile to a blind old woman with her left leg in a cast."
"Pym biting Blobs head off seems like something that would have happened when i was ten years old and playing with action figures."
"i always assumed that [the blob] had the same powers as his 616 counterpart because, if simply being a huge fat guy was enough to be considered a mutant then there sure are a lot of mutants in 'real life'. "
Which, if they were going to kill him 'for good' having Deathstroke, or the Red Hood, or some nameless mook kill him would be he 'ultimate' defeat. Kind of like in Joker's Favor.
I went through Dick's estrangement drama with Bruce during the 1980s and early 1990s, and ever since they reconciled in the aftermath of PRODIGAL, I've steered clear of BATMAN storylines in which one of the hooks (or even THE hook) is driving a wedge between Batman and his closest associates.
I enjoyed the hook the first time, but doing it again and again is a). boringly redundant and b). depicts Batman as a fool who doesn't learn from his failures.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
I despair of engaging in discussions with those who lack imagination.
In this case, it hasn't.
However, i probably would have given it more of a chance if wasn't following a fantastic half decade long run that ended with the first truth of batman being that he was never alone.
I get what Snyder is going for, but in order for it to work the threat that makes him doubt his allies has to be greater than Darkseid, the threat that made him acknowledge those allies.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it's almost like they're trying to ensure I'll never again buy a Batman (or Superman, for that matter)-related monthly that's not by that Mangy Scots Git.
The real theme of the story is that Joker is using that as misdirection. He just wants to use the uncertainty of whether or not he knows their identities as a tool to drive them all off course.
He knows. He chooses not to know. He doesn't care to know, but wants them to guess whether or now he knows. It's a game. Whether he really does know or not is actually not relevant in the Joker's eyes. If he wants to believe he knows, then he does. But for this specific story, he has to let them believe whether he does or not. He doesn't have a personal opinion towards that himself.
If you were to place a normal functioning human in Joker's place and question if he knows, then yes. Just like Jim Gordon knows. And Lucius Fox knows.
But this totally feels like a regression to the 2001-2005 Batman that brought us Officer Down, Bruce Wayne Murderer, and War Games, and it does it without even having Batman on panel.